[Editorial] Is avex Afraid Of Letting Ayumi Hamasaki Release Singles?

[isthisLOL?]

Oh, all rich people are evil rant. Original.

[saigodansu]

No, not all rich people are evil. Being rich is just like a collection, video game or alcohol, it's addictive. I don't hate rich people or think they're bad for being rich.

It's drawing conclusions like that from posts that cause so many arguments on AHS.
Try reading a little without attacking.

[emi♡]

Originally Posted by saigodansu

@emi
And I've seen alot of celebrities go completely broke & my ex step dad was a millionaire who lost it all. And it doesn't become a fallacious conclusion based on you & others disagreeing with every post I make. That's just your opinion, like my posts are my opinion.

No, actually.

If you read my posts carefully, you'll notice that I don't actually speak in absolutes or state things as fact, unless they are fact.

The difference between my opinions and yours, is that I can back mine up with specific evidence, and I do. I don't say things like, "Ayu is irresponsible with money," because that's not a statement I, or anyone besides a very select few, can even know or prove.


And for the record. I don't just disagree with you, I disagree with people who make wrong statements.

If you want to be taken seriously, if you want to be heard: Stop stating your opinions as truth when they are SO EASILY debatable. Learn that maybe your views are a little narrow and that they're influencing how you think. Understand that sometimes, our beliefs are wrong.

This is the real world sugarcube. We don't take take bull****.

[saigodansu]

Well sorry I don't abbreviate the IMO for you constantly.
And I did not say Ayu is irresponsible with money as a statement of fact, I listed some of the things she spends money on and said that those purchases do not show much responsibility with money, because those purchases do not show it regardless of the purchaser. I also said there is no way for us to know how much she has invested, she could turn out to be the world's wisest investor & got in on Amazon.com, Microsoft & Gold all at the perfect time, but we have know way of knowing that.

But you keep pulling half a sentence out of my post(I'm far from being the only one this happens to) and bashing my entire post based on partial lines misunderstood & completely out of context. And like everyother post of mine you have done this with, you completely miss every valid point in it.

My original point was, that with this thread becoming about where her money comes from and that her and Avex don't need the money from the upcoming releases & yes they don't need it, but they know they will get it.
As far as what brings in most of her income, for all we know she invested in the little upstart company of Amazon and is a multi billionaire due to wise investments at the start of music career or even investing from her acting career before that.

[happiholic★]

Originally Posted by tokyoxjapanxfan

The way I see it is, stopping the streak from continuing by not releasing singles is the same as the streak being ended by a single failing to get #1.

Either way it doesn't continue.

Maybe avex thinks that this way she saves face? I don't know. I think that Ayu could easily get #1 if she released on the right day. And now that its been forever and a lifetime since her last one I think people will be more excited for it.

[emi♡]

Originally Posted by saigodansu

But you keep pulling half a sentence out of my post(I'm far from being the only one this happens to) and bashing my entire post based on partial lines misunderstood & completely out of context. And like every other post of mine you have done this with, you completely miss every valid point in it.

I didn't bash your entire post. I cared about one specific point you made. That is why I have pieces of your posts quoted. Very specific pieces.

And please don't think you're special. If someone else had said this, I would have said the same thing.

I don't miss any of your points. Believe it or not, I'm quite adept with English comprehension.

You are just not entitled to me or anyone else acknowledging every little point you make. Take this for future reference when people reply to you. It's not a personal attack.


So. To go back. You stated that having a large shoe collection, etc. showed that she mishandles her money. Even in your opinion. I presented you with an alternate scenario of why having that opinion isn't the best option, and has easily debatable evidence.

I didn't care about anything you said about her percent stocks in Avex, because it doesn't have any relevance to me. It doesn't even have relevance to me talking about how much money she has, because we can never know ANY of it for sure.

[tokyoxjapanxfan]

Originally Posted by happiholic★

Maybe avex thinks that this way she saves face? I don't know. I think that Ayu could easily get #1 if she released on the right day. And now that its been forever and a lifetime since her last one I think people will be more excited for it.

Yeah I figure that has something to do with it.


And it's funny because if she never released Daybreak as a single, her streak would have been untouchable... Haha

It's already pretty untouchable but man... :-p

[happiholic★]

^Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I wonder if avex kicked themselves after that?

[saigodansu]

Ok then, but when you start a post by quoting mine & saying once again a fallicious conclusion, it comes off as personal.

As far the shoe collection, I'm not saying buying shoes makes her irresponsible. I'm saying buying 100s of designer shoes for $1000s a pair, doing the same with a lingerie collection & the constant over priced hotels not just in part but combining those details is not a good sign of being responsible with money. Not in stating fact as how she is, but in appearance. In my personal opinion, her decision to get into acting and music probably made her so rich, so fast that she has no idea what to do with all the money except spend, spend, spend and hope it makes a dent. Plus the fact she had already donated to victims after 3/11 and donated again with her name attached when accused of being selfish shows she's also a very generous and giving person & regardless of all of the recorded amounts with names attached, she probably out donated most of the list put together on her own anonymously. While I was visiting my brother in NY, I took a train to Manhattan and gave her a thankyou card that was amazingly well written as if they had 3/11 on their mind when writing it.

Do you understand where I'm coming from now?

[TeamAyu2004]

Originally Posted by happiholic★

^Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I wonder if avex kicked themselves after that?

Not really... I mean it was a limited press. something like 200/300K...there would of been NO WAY for it to get a number 1. They just released it to get cash.

as for saving face? Please... everyone knows... even avex and ayumi... that her peak is over... her sales only go down. It's not like she can be on top FOREVER.

[emi♡]

Originally Posted by saigodansu

Ok then, but when you start a post by quoting mine & saying once again a fallicious conclusion, it comes off as personal.

As far the shoe collection, I'm not saying buying shoes makes her irresponsible. I'm saying buying 100s of designer shoes for $1000s a pair, doing the same with a lingerie collection & the constant over priced hotels not just in part but combining those details is not a good sign of being responsible with money. Not in stating fact as how she is, but in appearance. In my personal opinion, her decision to get into acting and music probably made her so rich, so fast that she has no idea what to do with all the money except spend, spend, spend and hope it makes a dent. Plus the fact she had already donated to victims after 3/11 and donated again with her name attached when accused of being selfish shows she's also a very generous and giving person & regardless of all of the recorded amounts with names attached, she probably out donated most of the list put together on her own anonymously. While I was visiting my brother in NY, I took a train to Manhattan and gave her a thankyou card that was amazingly well written as if they had 3/11 on their mind when writing it.

Do you understand where I'm coming from now?

"Once again" because you made another fallacious statement like the other day

I understand exactly where you're coming from, and I'm telling you, that position is not the best position to be in.

And I gave you quite a few reasons why. For your own reference, here's a link: http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/showpo...&postcount=117

You did nothing to address any of my points. How do you think that makes me feel towards you?

[saigodansu]

Originally Posted by emi♡

Once again, fallacious conclusion that could also go many other ways.

1.We have no idea how much she makes. Those things seem fairly straightforward to me for people who have a lot of continuous income rolling in, and very few responsibilities as far as family, school, etc.

AGREED, without responsibilities collections of clothes are common, just not usually in that price range.

2.Besides that, I'm certain Avex and her manager wouldn't let her do completely foolish things.

I'VE never seen mention of her having a manager outside the legion of them hired by Avex that follow her everywhere & she's done alot of things that many people would call foolish.

3.Hotels in the thousands of dollars a night are common for celebrities. Hell, here, they're common for wealthy people in general. Ridiculous shoe collection is subjective. You collect massive amounts of clothes over time. Most high end shoes will be between $600-$1200 a pair. Dropping a few thousand on shoes here and there is not going to kill her, or probably even make a dent in her allowance, which I'm sure she has.

YES, common among celebrities and other rich people, but it does not make it wise spending just because they have more money.



4.Do you know many wealthy people? Most of them keep their money in banks. Many of them get monthly allowances in the thousands. Many millionaires are able to take care of all their day to day spending based on just the INTEREST their money sitting in the bank makes.

Yes I know 1 very well who runs 3-5 companies now & consults for others. My ex step dad was a multi millionaire and lost it all. One of my cousins is Mike Nesmith of THE MONKEES. That doesn't change that no one here knows if Ayu has an allowance, as the only thing I recall her mentioning she carries to shop with is a no limit credit card.

4.A lot of that monthly allowance, is probably only interest. We can't even know when she's using her actual money

COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU that we can't know. Other than the no limit credit card she's mentioned, we no nothing of any allowance or interest & no one here can say with 100% certainty that she even has a bank account, because she might have a safe at home.

5. Money is WAY too complex. You can't just say, "she makes this, she spends this." It's not always black and white when you have millions and millions, and when you have royalities, perks, etc, all the time.

COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU


That turned out different than I thought, sorry it's almost all in the quote box

[saigodansu]

@yurichan

What exactly is your point to even posting in reply to me.
I posted about the purchases we do know about and have seen many pictures of & said the same thing you & emi are saying, THE REST NONE OF US KNOW ABOUT, DUH !!!

She could be making these 5 new releases because she just went bankrupt for all we know. And like I said previously, she could also turn out to be the world's wisest investor, but we'll never know.

At least I had something to add to the current discussion on the thread, not just posting to tell someone theyre wrong, even though your statement about us not knowing agrees with me.

[emi♡]

AGREED, without responsibilities collections of clothes are common, just not usually in that price range.

No, but generally the more money you have, the more you spend on your clothing collection.

I'VE never seen mention of her having a manager outside the legion of them hired by Avex that follow her everywhere & she's done alot of things that many people would call foolish.

I assume she has managers that help track her spending. idk who they are, or what system they have. I don't know what things I'd personally call foolish. Maybe getting married, but that's not monetary based.

YES, common among celebrities and other rich people, but it does not make it wise spending just because they have more money.

But it doesn't make it unwise either. Usually, wealthier people have more disposable income. They can spend loads more without it hurting them. How can we define what is wise?

Yes I know 1 very well who runs 3-5 companies now & consults for others. My ex step dad was a multi millionaire and lost it all. One of my cousins is Mike Nesmith of THE MONKEES. That doesn't change that no one here knows if Ayu has an allowance, as the only thing I recall her mentioning she carries to shop with is a no limit credit card.

COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU that we can't know. Other than the no limit credit card she's mentioned, we no nothing of any allowance or interest & no one here can say with 100% certainty that she even has a bank account, because she might have a safe at home.

No, we don't know. Which is why I'd feel very, very uncomfortable saying she's irresponsible, and backing up that point.

[TeamAyu2004]

^^ well, actually we kinda know she has a bank account because to do business in japan, ie companies paying employees you have to have bank transfers.

besides that, avex most likely has given her an expense account...

and frankly, what is she suppose to do with the money? Spend it...
thats why people work.

Im pretty sure she has a finance accountant or something along those lines... she is a smart business woman... she knows what she is doing.

[YuriChan]

Originally Posted by saigodansu

@yurichan

What exactly is your point to even posting in reply to me.
I posted about the purchases we do know about and have seen many pictures of & said the same thing you & emi are saying, THE REST NONE OF US KNOW ABOUT, DUH !!!

She could be making these 5 new releases because she just went bankrupt for all we know. And like I said previously, she could also turn out to be the world's wisest investor, but we'll never know.

At least I had something to add to the current discussion on the thread, not just posting to tell someone theyre wrong, even though your statement about us not knowing agrees with me.

Sorry... I posted that AFTER she replied to you! lol ^^;; (I already went ahead and deleted that statement. After all, I did make a fool out of myself. )

[Zeke.]

Just want to say that I think saigodansu is making good points.

[saigodansu]

Thanks to everyone in this thread for actually letting us have a civil conversation instead of a closed thread. Nice to see that on AHS for a change.

[tokyoxjapanxfan]

Well, even if you are losing sales, after constantly being in the news for negative reasons, like divorce, on top of not getting a #1 album twice, releasing a single and not getting #1 would only add to the wound.

But Daybreak being released confuses me because since there was no way it could have been #1, I wonder if really Avex and Ayu don't (or at least didn't) care about the streak as much as we think?

[TeamAyu2004]

^ really.. after having so many, whats the point?
It didn't/doesn't add anything to her career.