[NEWS] Eason Chan critcises Ayu of Lip-synching

[Peger]

Originally Posted by norain

I believe they're talking bout native artists.

But then wouldn't the best album of a foreign artist do even worse? Both Ken and Ayu are foreigners to Taiwan and the Cantonese/Mandarin markets anyway.

[miniayumi]

Go obsessive Ayu fans! We need to band together and use our free time (which is practically 24/7, since we have no lives, after all) and destroy Eason! He deserves death! I've already bought a plane ticket to Hong Kong. I'm going to hijack the plane and crash it into Hong Kong. Damn that city that criticizes Ayu. If I were the almighty, I would burn the city to the ground. Eason needs a hanging! Let us keep flaming, flame, flame! And hope our forum flaming reaches Hong Kong. Burn!!! Let us rise from our parent's basement and march forth in our pajamas!

[caio.taiko]

I didn't read all the posts, but I can't help it, i need to say that I want to go to a Eason Chan concert (if there's any nowadays), get a front row seat, take a white blanket with a big red A mark and a pillow. And sleep. During the whole concert.

[Peger]

Originally Posted by ayu_fan929

Regardless, the 40k figure is for HK only. Plus, Cantonese pop has close to 0 appeal in the Mandarin speaking areas.

Well not to sound like a crazy fan, but it's not Ayu's fault that Eason doesn't have much appeal outside of one city. I don't know all too much about C-pop artists, but i know enough to say that some of the biggest acts come from HK and that doesn't seem to stop them from doing well in the Mando market.

[CRAZYBOAT]

Originally Posted by Peger

But then wouldn't the best album of a foreign artist do even worse? Both Ken and Ayu are foreigners to Taiwan and the Cantonese/Mandarin markets anyway.

Well, S.H.E, the group that's considered one of the best taiwanese groups in Taiwan and the chinese speaking community, did not do spectacular with their recent BEST album. You would think if BEST albums were big sellers, they would debut high with very high sales, but they did not. Also, recently, a Taiwanese diva Ah Mei released her BEST album and it debuted at #14.

[JinHamasaki]

Originally Posted by Ayumiko

ok Im not sure if she was serious or being sarcastic when she said eason was good. Once he opens his eyes, he caught ayu lipping.

I listened to the interview and I didn't hear her say Eason was good, I just heard "Once Eason opened his eyes he caught Ayu lip syncing."

[ayu_fan929]

Originally Posted by CRAZYBOAT

What does that have to do with me saying the album selling approximately 5,000 copies? BTW, selling 5,000 copies in HK is decent because to get into the yearly top 10, an album just need to sell 10,000 copies or more. The highest selling album last year was 60,000 copies by Hacken Lee.

It has to do with you because it didn't sell 5,000 copies. Selling less than 10,000 for an A-list artist is actually terrible. As well, you need to have at least 20,000 in order to get a yearly TOP 10 album. As mentioned in my previous post, the highest selling album of 2006 was "Get A Life" LIVE CD, which also outsold both of Hacken Lee's 2 Concert Hall albums. http://www.ifpihk.org/www/public/dcm...awardyear=2006

Originally Posted by CRAZYBOAT

Okay, then why don't we compare that album to Ayu's "Memorial Address" which debuted on the top 5 in Taiwan. I'm not going to bother mentioning her Japanese sales because it's so obvious that Ayumi's MUCH more popular than Eason in Taiwan judging on the CD sales. As for Ayumi's popularity in Hong Kong, I would say Ayumi, as a foreign singer, is extremely popular with all the headlines the past week. Not to mention her sell out concert.

No one said she wasn't popular in Taiwan. The person that I quoted first directly compared a Hong Kong sales number with a Japanese sales number. When directly comparing it like that, it is not only is it not fair due to the population differences but it is also incomparable as they are two different types of albums.

Originally Posted by CRAZYBOAT

Taiwan is NOT Japan. BEST albums don't do very well in Taiwan. S.H.E's recent BEST album debuted below the top 10. That says alot. And for Ken to debut so high in Taiwan with a BEST album is impressive for someone with no promotion there.

Exactly how many New song + Best selection albums have S.H.E. released since they debuted? Hirai Ken's released only 1. And I'm pretty sure the Sekachuu movie helped increase his popularity (and no, I'm not saying he wasn't popular before the movie.)

Originally Posted by CRAZYBOAT

What's your point? Just admit the fact that the popular local singer in HK is not doing well elsewhere.

My original post was in response to URANUS saying that none of his albums have made the TOP 20 in Taiwan. In general terms, I admit that he's not doing well elsewhere. But compared to other HK singers that release in Taiwan, it did OK. Does that change my original point?

Originally Posted by Peger

Well not to sound like a crazy fan, but it's not Ayu's fault that Eason doesn't have much appeal outside of one city. I don't know all too much about C-pop artists, but i know enough to say that some of the biggest acts come from HK and that doesn't seem to stop them from doing well in the Mando market.

My main point is that I felt that it was not misleading since the number used was an HK-only number.

[Ayumiko]

Originally Posted by JinHamasaki

I listened to the interview and I didn't hear her say Eason was good, I just heard "Once Eason opened his eyes he caught Ayu lip syncing."

she said it right before that part. about 3:53. After when she said I dont understand how he can fall asleep. but eason is good. Direct translation should be: "but eason is truly smart." but I chose good coz it makes more sense than truly smart.

"I dont understand how he can fall asleep. but eason is good. Once Eason opened his eyes he caught Ayu lip syncing."

I dont get why she said that. Did she mean it like praise him for catching it right away when he woke up coz hes good/smart or sarcastic like wow u know right away after waking up and not paying attention? I dunno.

[Qt Mashi]

Originally Posted by JinHamasaki

I listened to the interview and I didn't hear her say Eason was good, I just heard "Once Eason opened his eyes he caught Ayu lip syncing."

the female host did say Eason was good

Ayumiko's translation are sooo good! my cantonese suck

[Qt Mashi]

Originally Posted by Ayumiko

"I dont understand how he can fall asleep. but eason is good. Once Eason opened his eyes he caught Ayu lip syncing."

I dont get why she said that. Did she mean it like praise him for catching it right away when he woke up coz hes good/smart or sarcastic like wow u know right away after waking up and not paying attention? I dunno.

they certainly weren't being sarcastic IMO, they said it like "Eason totally caught her, he is 100% a pro musician -_-"

[theprojectzero]

Oh... Well... Girls, Eason might mistaken Peco as Ayumi. Ya know, how is Peco like always try to steal Ayumi's show. That's why he fell asleep, i think.

[wisdom]

hi i'm new to the forum but been Ayu fan for 7 years and what you might call the older generation of Ayu fan. on the coment by ayu fan929 defending eason chan saying how good he is in hk. i can remember when eason chan enter a tvb music contest(he won because the others were really bad). he debuted back then when the big 4 was still popular with great songs. back then he was a nobody. it was until when jacky cheung and andy lau, leon lai, aaron kwok decide to concentrate on their acting career did these 'b' and 'c' class singer get a chance. Also you talked aboutawards. i always take hong kong awards with a pinch of salt, because in hong kong its all about connections and who you know(its a known fact in hk),it is usually given out by 2 tv companies in hong kong(there are only 2 tv company in hk) and small music industry in hk. you can have realy bad song and can,t sing but depending on who you know and if you do as you are told by the big bosses in the media industry you are guaranteed awards. so eason awards in hk mean nothing to me. the whole industry is so corrupt. also eason got the best male award because there is nobody else to give to(lack of choices) all the rest are too young or new to the music industry. he maybe big in hk but outside hk he is a nobody. Jay chou now he's a proper chinese artist.

[Surreal]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

Well, the translations of what he did say are kind of "wtf?" to me..

Like, "You can't sing and dance and sound that good! You just can't!"

It's like, have you met Namie Amuro? And can you even make that judgement when you aren't even a "fan" of the singer you're watching and you haven't even heard 90% of the songs in a CD quality form?

LOl that's so true. Namie sounds perfectly like the CD even when she's dancing like crazy.

Originally Posted by caio.taiko

I didn't read all the posts, but I can't help it, i need to say that I want to go to a Eason Chan concert (if there's any nowadays), get a front row seat, take a white blanket with a big red A mark and a pillow. And sleep. During the whole concert.

LOL!

I don't see a need to close this thread at all. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but don't go overboard like cursing him death or such..

[BigAyuFan]

well to tell u the truth right now it might be but hes got his info all wrong.first of all u guys know that Ayu has a fake twin right??well i was thinking about this before, u know how sometimes during the credits of her concerts they show tiny video clips??and sometimes u see her twin in the same cloths and i always wondered when did she ever appear on stage??like she would have to get on and get off stage before a song starts but its never happend like that so i just figured she pretends to be Ayu while the real Ayu rests in the back.i think she would record her voice and than play it to make it sound like she was singing at the concert.and in her concert DVD she only uses the ones she really sung.and she would pick a different song she would rest on in every other concert.i hope that makes scences but im not sure if this is true or not its just an idea.and just in my opinion i really dont like that eason guy.

[CRAZYBOAT]

Originally Posted by ayu_fan929

Exactly how many New song + Best selection albums have S.H.E. released since they debuted?

First of all, S.H.E has released only two BEST albums since their debut. One in 2003, "Together (Best Collection)" and another in 2006 "Forever (Best Collection 2003-2006)". If you ask me, that's not alot considering they have released 8 studio albums. They're one of the top selling groups in Taiwan and their second BEST album didn't debut on the top 10. Not to mention this wasn't the only example. Many famous singers in Taiwan don't sell well with their BEST albums. I can provide more examples if you're going to insist on this debate.

Originally Posted by ayu_fan929

Hirai Ken's released only 1. And I'm pretty sure the Sekachuu movie helped increase his popularity (and no, I'm not saying he wasn't popular before the movie.)

Are you going to use as many filter excuses as you can to support your statement that Eason's doing fine in Tawain because this sounds like a desperate attempt. First you said that Eason's album didn't do as well as Ken's album because Ken's was a BEST album. Then you resorted to saying that Eason did zero promotion. And then, the fact that he's a Cantonese singer and now that this is Ken's first BEST album and it was a tie in for a movie. For a foreign artist to do so well with a BEST album in another country is already a proven case that it's Ken's popularity that's sold the album, not because it's a BEST album. And let me just tell you that Eason's album was in Mandarin, the official language in Taiwan. So being a Cantonese singer may not have been the reason why the album didn't do so well.

I have proven my point. Eason is no big seller outside of Hong Kong. And he's nothing compared to Ayumi's popularity in Asia according to the sales. End of discussion for me as this is going to go in circles if persisted.

[truehappiness]

Just his name is kinda weird sounding.. D:

I wonder why he even said this in the first place D:

[..:Hot:Like:Wow:..]

I have proven my point. Eason is no big seller outside of Hong Kong. And he's nothing compared to Ayumi's popularity in Asia according to the sales. End of discussion for me as this is going to go in circles if persisted.

Eason is just green with envy.

[yamogi]

Hong Kongers are so native, they consider things that they can't do as missions impossible.

If you can't finish 100M in 10 seconds, Is that ALL those who can are aliens?
O Men,don't be stupid.

[CRAZYBOAT]

Originally Posted by Kingofpop

Eason is just green with envy.

And with jealousy.

Originally Posted by yamogi

Hong Kongers are so native, they consider things that they can't do as missions impossible.

If you can't finish 100M in 10 seconds, Is that ALL those who can are aliens?
O Men,don't be stupid.

Yeah just because Eason and those Grasshoppers can't dance and sing at the same time doesn't mean Ayumi can't. It's totally horrendous of them to suggest that things they can't do, everybody else is automatically incapable of doing. They think too high of themselves.

But something's been bothering me. Eason's not the dancing kind of singer. Most of his songs are ballads. Hysterical.

[ayu_fan929]

Originally Posted by CRAZYBOAT

First of all, S.H.E has released only two BEST albums since their debut. One in 2003, "Together (Best Collection)" and another in 2006 "Forever (Best Collection 2003-2006)". If you ask me, that's not alot considering they have released 8 studio albums. They're one of the top selling groups in Taiwan and their second BEST album didn't debut on the top 10. Not to mention this wasn't the only example. Many famous singers in Taiwan don't sell well with their BEST albums. I can provide more examples if you're going to insist on this debate.

I'm wondering why we are comparing a Mandarin artist with a Japanese artist now. Can you give me a case where a popular Japanese artist in Taiwan hasn't done well with a BEST album?

Originally Posted by CRAZYBOAT

Are you going to use as many filter excuses as you can to support your statement that Eason's doing fine in Tawain because this sounds like a desperate attempt.

He actually is doing fine in Taiwan. Name more than Hong Kong based singers that are doing better than him in Taiwan.

Originally Posted by CRAZYBOAT

First you said that Eason's album didn't do as well as Ken's album because Ken's was a BEST album. Then you resorted to saying that Eason did zero promotion. And then, the fact that he's a Cantonese singer and now that this is Ken's first BEST album and it was a tie in for a movie.

Yes. These were all factors that a Japanese BEST album sold more than his Mandarin album. Oh and you forgot that I mentioned that this was his first Mandarin album in 2 years and that he was on hiatus for a year.

Originally Posted by CRAZYBOAT

For a foreign artist to do so well with a BEST album in another country is already a proven case that it's Ken's popularity that's sold the album, not because it's a BEST album.

I never doubted Ken's popularity. I said while the movie did increase his popularity he was pretty popular before the movie. Because of this increased popularity, and coupled with the fact that it was a BEST album, he sold well.

Originally Posted by CRAZYBOAT

And let me just tell you that Eason's album was in Mandarin, the official language in Taiwan. So being a Cantonese singer may not have been the reason why the album didn't do so well.

If you haven't noticed, I'm fully aware of this. Please don't state the obvious. And if you didn't know being a Cantonese singer does have some effect on how successful you are in Taiwan.

Originally Posted by CRAZYBOAT

Eason is no big seller outside of Hong Kong. And he's nothing compared to Ayumi's popularity in Asia according to the sales.

So are you basing that off of one album? Or his entire Mandarin career? Can you find the post where I said that he's more popular than Ayu in Asia according to sales?