taskinst vs. Don't tell me by Hoobastank - Page 4

elepop · #61 13th June 2008, 11:30 PM

OMG! It's the same for real.

Shame on you tasuku, shame on you.

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Originally Posted by Namie

I thought that Ayu had super controll over her work. That she goes through every song carefully. I guess not huh..that sounded EXACTLY the same.

This comment doesn't make sense.

ownsarai · #62 14th June 2008, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Huaka

If I found out that tasking was copied I'll cry or something. That's my favorite interlude ever.

^I would totally cry, too.

Let's hope nothing else has been re-vamped for Ayu without her knowledge.

truehappiness · #63 14th June 2008, 06:32 PM

I'm guessing it was the first thing that came to tasuku's head..

If you recall, tasuku probably had less than a few weeks to make an interlude. Remember how Secret, [not GUILTY, thank mindfarts for the weird title placement..] went from a mini-album to a full length album in a matter of weeks? @_@

I don't blame him at all.

**zoomzoom** · #64 14th June 2008, 06:36 PM

You mean Secret, right? I guess he was in a hurry, but that still doesn't excuse a blatant rip off at all IMO. Then you just shouldn't compose.

***ImpactBreaker*** · #65 14th June 2008, 07:44 PM

For real, it doesn't justify that. It's not because someone's lacking time that they will rush and copy a song. If he couldn't come up with any idea, he should have been sincere about it: "time it's too short and composing demands time".

Also, I still think the mini album => album thing from Secret was a public stunt. I don't think they created all those songs from a last minute attempt of fulfilling the album.

Bad Wolf · #66 15th June 2008, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

Geez, TASUKU will be added to the "shameful, huh?" list along with GEO....what's wrong with these composers?

Can't they do things on their own, just steal and take possesion of what other composers did?

wait wait wait, that Sweetbox guy ganks tunes? D:

***ImpactBreaker*** · #67 15th June 2008, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by InoriNoUta

wait wait wait, that Sweetbox guy ganks tunes? D:

Go to youtube and search for "Army Of Lovers - Crucified" and then listen to the ayu's "Pride" chorus for a little surprise

Bad Wolf · #68 15th June 2008, 03:47 AM

.... :O

Okay that breaks my heart, because I love Pride like no tomorrow - WTF GEO >:O

I'm disappointed to hear about the taskinst and Don't Tell Me similarity / rip off as well, but then again I'm inclined to give a wee bit of a benefit of the doubt here and say that just may~be tasku was granted the rights to the song and altered it to fit Ayu's style. I mean, that doesn't make me any happier that Hoobastank not only wasn't credited but all that was changed was just taskinst being a little higher than DTM, but it's still something I wonder about.

However I didn't even know Hoobastank was still around much less making new songs o_o; Aren't they just a cheap copy of Incubus, anyway?

sibby · #69 16th June 2008, 12:59 PM

okay great now im really convinced that CREA should come back even if she thinks she cant write songs anymore. I HAVE FAITH

critter333294 · #70 18th June 2008, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

Also, I still think the mini album => album thing from Secret was a public stunt. I don't think they created all those songs from a last minute attempt of fulfilling the album.

I completely agree. Artists record more songs than necessary all the time. Some songs make the cut for the album, some dont. So really, they probably had all the songs laid out and instead of cutting the ones they didnt like that much, they just made a full album.

truehappiness · #71 18th June 2008, 04:25 AM

Well, she's admitted that not all of the songs were brand new creations [It was, being from (m)u's era and until that Day.. having been an interlude.. etc..] so I think that it's highly likely that it was a last minute attempt. :\

Like, they even announced the mini album with a tracklist, and later changed that all. If you look at how the situation played out, it seems as though Ayu thought more about it and changed her mind. After all, wasn't the announcement after some meeting in Las Vegas with Mikajohn and Max?

Bad Wolf · #72 18th June 2008, 04:17 PM

^ It was...? (

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R_Hikki · #73 18th June 2008, 04:33 PM

That's a shame... I've always appreciated Ayu's interludes for their originality and cool sounds but not this time >_< And from Hoobastank? That's really random.

***ImpactBreaker*** · #74 18th June 2008, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness

Well, she's admitted that not all of the songs were brand new creations [It was, being from (m)u's era and until that Day.. having been an interlude.. etc..] so I think that it's highly likely that it was a last minute attempt. :\

How many other albums has she used songs from previous albums? We don't know. Maybe GUILTY had a song that was supposed to be from Secret. maybe Duty had a song that was supposed to be in LOVEppears. The reason she pointed that fact about It Was..., was because at the time she was going to release (miss)understood (and not Secret), in her opinion there still was something lacking in that song. So whoever it was, kept on working on the song composition and probably made it ready even way before Secret was annouced and this time ayu thought the song finally was right. Since Secret is one of her only albums I can personally remeber ayu describing track by track, she mentioned that fact. Whatever you believe, she'll either be a liar in either case: 1) she lied that secret was a mini album when it was a full album, making it a public stunt (which isn'ty bad imo, just a way too boost sales, after all she's a product; or 2) Secret was indeed a mini-album turned in a last minute attempt album, and ayu is lying saying that It Was... was a incomplete song for all these years, but in a last minute magic, the composer finally made it work (which would be a very creepy asnd disgusting lie). I chose to believe it was a public stunt, because that's what It Was... Who knows if HAPPY ENDING, SCAR, Naturally were all supposed to be on previous albums but made it to the next? Nobody knows.

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Originally Posted by truehappiness

Like, they even announced the mini album with a tracklist, and later changed that all. If you look at how the situation played out, it seems as though Ayu thought more about it and changed her mind. After all, wasn't the announcement after some meeting in Las Vegas with Mikajohn and Max?

I remember when I saw the situation and I was kinda laughing because the annoucement had "public stunt" stamped on it, screaming all over in a very cheesy way.

truehappiness · #75 18th June 2008, 10:40 PM

She's previously done track-by-track liner notes in CD DATA / other magazines a few times before.. earliest one I can recall is the one on her site about RAINBOW.

Regarding It was:

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ayu: This was one of the songs we had gathered up for the (miss)understood album. I didn't use it then, but of course I really liked it and had tasuku arrange it. I felt like I wanted the lyrics to not end very clearly, or like I wanted to make lyrics which ended on a confused note.

It seems as though the song was done save for lyrics.. :\~ It was not the composer or w/e that needed to work on it, it was Ayu who wanted the lyrics to seem different.

***ImpactBreaker*** · #76 19th June 2008, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness

She's previously done track-by-track liner notes in CD DATA / other magazines a few times before.. earliest one I can recall is the one on her site about RAINBOW.

Regarding It was:

It seems as though the song was done save for lyrics.. :\~ It was not the composer or w/e that needed to work on it, it was Ayu who wanted the lyrics to seem different.

Thanks for clarifying. That doesn' make things much better though, because ayu had to also come up with the lyrics of several other songs in a rush. I dunno....

ComatoseBunnySnatcher · #77 19th June 2008, 01:13 AM

poker face, anyone?

truehappiness · #78 19th June 2008, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

Thanks for clarifying. That doesn' make things much better though, because ayu had to also come up with the lyrics of several other songs in a rush. I dunno....

Well, basically the interview thing says that she had lyrics for It was ready, but the conclusion was bothering her since she had a clear vision as to how she wanted it to end..

This situation is a lot different from the GUILTY situation in which she wrote a lot of the album tracks all in the same day @_@~

**zoomzoom** · #79 23rd August 2008, 08:52 PM

^I'm assuming ayu doesn't know about it after all then. If she does and still uses him, that would be lame.

truehappiness · #80 23rd August 2008, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by zoomzoom

^I'm assuming ayu doesn't know about it after all then. If she does and still uses him, that would be lame.

How is that lame? She's had several composers [including herself + DAI] in the past that have had the same 4-5 notes in a song as some older song. (Of course, the case with taskinst is different since just about all of it came from the intro to "Don't Tell Me..")

Personally, I think that the taskinst thing came subconsciously to tasuku.. like, he was rushed when creating the Secret album and he ended up using the same melody or something.

I dunno, all I know is that it doesn't bother me. Plenty of people copy all the time and no one really notices unless you've heard some obscure song [see Ai Otsuka + the many songs that she's apparently copied in some way and so on..]