[2007] This really convinced me! Utada is THE best!

Originally Posted by Tom Punks

She didn't say it was a fact... She said it was his opinion. o__o She was talking about how he contradicted himself by starting with "in my opinion..." and ending with "even though other people might not think so, it's obvious that Utada's voice is better than Ayu's" as if it was a fact. It was like saying, "In my opinion, salt is obviously better than pepper, even though other people don't really seem to see that. " (Okay, he didn't really say it QUITE like that, but it came off that way to me...)

Unless I'm just misunderstanding your post, I don't really see why you're telling her it's an opinion and not a fact when her whole post was like, "That's your opinion, not a fact"?

OK, I can't even understand what you're trying to say But everyone should realize that people's posts here are THEIR opinions. The original poster said it was all in their own opinion, so I don't even understand why people are quoting it.

Originally Posted by CoriKaru

Haha.

Well anyway, I would like to add that it is true that some singers are better than others factually, regardless of one's opinion.

Example: Hilary Duff vs. Diana Ross

Who is the better singer?

Factually: Diana Ross

Although people can prefer Hilary Duff.

So just keep that in mind with all this, "no one is better than anyone" stuff because that's not always the case if ever.

Diana Ross has a crap voice, tbh.

[CoriKaru]

Originally Posted by dddaiyamondo

Diana Ross has a crap voice, tbh.

And I'm sure you're not the only one who thinks that. Regardless, she can have a crap voice and still be better than Hilary Duff.

I'm just trying to prove a point in regards to what's going on here. I honestly don't listen to Diana Ross so I don't really care what kind of voice she has. Bash away.

[bondingo]

Originally Posted by CoriKaru

And I'm sure you're not the only one who thinks that. Regardless, she can have a crap voice and still be better than Hilary Duff.

I'm just trying to prove a point in regards to what's going on here. I honestly don't listen to Diana Ross so I don't really care what kind of voice she has. Bash away.

What?! That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Saying Diana Ross is better than Hilary Duff is an opinion, no matter how you put it.

[CoriKaru]

Originally Posted by bondingo

What?! That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Saying Diana Ross is better than Hilary Duff is an opinion, no matter how you put it.

No it's not actually and it makes so much sense. Of course we'll just have to agree to disagree because I didn't intend to argue with anyone. You don't have to accept what I said.

[bondingo]

Originally Posted by CoriKaru

No it's not actually and it makes so much sense. Of course we'll just have to agree to disagree because I didn't intend to argue with anyone. You don't have to accept what I said.

No, it really doesn't make sense at all. Maybe it makes sense to you, but I would have to say that your logic is skewed if that's what you think. You claim to know the difference between fact and opinion, but I really don't think that you do. There's no agreeing to disagree because it's an opinion if someone says that someone is better than someone else. Wikipedia's definition of an opinion:

An opinion is a person's ideas and thoughts towards something. It is an assessment, judgment or evaluation of something. An opinion is not a fact, because opinions are either not falsifiable, or the opinion has not been proven or verified. If it later becomes proven or verified, it is no longer an opinion, but a fact.

Diana Ross being "better" than Hilary Duff (better at what exactly?) cannot be proven, therefore it is opinion to say that one is better than the other. If one were to say that Diana Ross sings correctly in a technical sense, but Hilary Duff does not, and that were proven, then saying "Diana Ross is a technically proficient singer and Hilary Duff is not" would be fact.

[sugarbasil]

Originally Posted by bondingo

What?! That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Saying Diana Ross is better than Hilary Duff is an opinion, no matter how you put it.

I have to completely agree with this and severely disagree with the other statement about Diana Ross and Hilary Duff. Opinion is something that can't be proven and is in the mind of the beholder; fact needs some sort of statistical truth/proof and/or cannot be proven wrong.

You simply CANNOT say something is better than something and claim it as fact. Period. You can argue that all you like, because that statement right there is FACT and not OPINION; and it is so because you can find that exact statements in all sorts of academic books providing much proof. That isn't something to be argued.

IF you want to make it fact, you need to have a word that describes WHAT exactly does WHAT better (and there must be some sort of statistics or proof to back it up). So you can say, "Hilary Duff has a HIGHER VOICE that Diana Ross," or "this is more sugary than this." Saying that something is just "better" than something does not provide sufficient enough information. "Better" is a very broad, general term. You could say, "she is a better singer," but that would have to mean she is more perfect in the majority of ways; BUT "perfect" is a subjective term.

SO. To say that Hilary Duff is better than Diana Ross means that she is more perfect in the majority of all aspects of being a singer compared to Diana. Now, until you can prove that "perfect" has a universal meaning and that every last person in the world would consider the same thing perfect, your argument is invalid.

I would also like to note that the fact that you even had to say, "agree to disagree" means that two people have opposing OPINIONS. To agree is to have one opinion or think one way and to disagree is to think another way and have a different opinion. I would just like to put in here the definition of agree for the hell of it:

to have the same views, emotions

and

to come to one opinion or mind

When discussing opinions people say either "I agree" or "disagree;" discussing facts, either "that's true" or "that's not true." Seeing as everyone so far has either said "I agree" or "I disagree," your statement is an opinion.

Whether or not you feel like debating this is entirely up to you; I just wanted to say this.

[Tom Punks]

Originally Posted by dddaiyamondo

OK, I can't even understand what you're trying to say But everyone should realize that people's posts here are THEIR opinions. The original poster said it was all in their own opinion, so I don't even understand why people are quoting it.

Yeah, I'm really bad at explaining things. :'( But my point was, you're telling Love Shine "it's his opinion" and that's pretty much was she was saying in the first place, so I don't think you really understood her post either?