taskinst vs. Don't tell me by Hoobastank

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

I dunno, all I know is that it doesn't bother me. Plenty of people copy all the time and no one really notices unless you've heard some obscure song [see Ai Otsuka + the many songs that she's apparently copied in some way and so on..]

It doesn't bother me either, I mean it's just an interlude. There are billions of songs out there, every 100th can have something similar to at least another 100.

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

It doesn't bother me either, I mean it's just an interlude. There are billions of songs out there, every 100th can have something similar to at least another 100.

I sort of understand where people are coming from, since taskinst is almost a direct copy of "Don't Tell Me" but honestly, it's nothing to make a big deal about.

People found out, and so what? No one's really gonna do anything about it because no one really cares. And for those that do, it's a waste of their time/energy/brainpower angsting over someone else's work. [which is clearly better than the original tbh.]

[luna7996]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

People found out, and so what? No one's really gonna do anything about it because no one really cares. And for those that do, it's a waste of their time/energy/brainpower angsting over someone else's work. [which is clearly better than the original tbh.]

Well said.

[zoomzoom]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

Personally, I think that the taskinst thing came subconsciously to tasuku.. like, he was rushed when creating the Secret album and he ended up using the same melody or something.

That sounds like a horrible excuse. Subconsciously? Come on. If it did, he would've heard it before, so wouldn't he at one point be listening to the final song and think "Hmmm I heard this before somewhere"? Like come on, the song is a clone.

The thing is, you listen to a song (or interlude) and think "wow, this is really good work". And then it's just not. It's more of an integrity thing I guess. It would've been different had they actually credited the real composers. But this wasn't tasuku's work.

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by zoomzoom

That sounds like a horrible excuse. Subconsciously? Come on. If it did, he would've heard it before, so wouldn't he at one point be listening to the final song and think "Hmmm I heard this before somewhere"? Like come on, the song is a clone.

The thing is, you listen to a song (or interlude) and think "wow, this is really good work". And then it's just not. It's more of an integrity thing I guess. It would've been different had they actually credited the real composers. But this wasn't tasuku's work.

Well, whatever happened, I don't really care. Sure the song is like a 99.9% - 100% clone, but eh. It's useless to hold a 'grudge' towards tasuku tbh. He produces some good work, and honestly, I don't know if people care in the long run.. after all one of tasuku's previous Ayu-interludes was completely gypped by the Taiwanese trio band "F.I.R" and of course, no one gave a hoot about it.

Not really trying to make any excuses here, but I think that it's something that shouldn't be made a big deal of, but should still be remembered.. it just seems like people are disliking him simply because of some dumb melody that he copied. So what?

EDIT: And suppose people did care.. no one really listens to Hoobastank to begin with. The album that "Don't Tell Me" was on barely scraped past 172,000 in total sales.

[zoomzoom]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

Well, whatever happened, I don't really care. Sure the song is like a 99.9% - 100% clone, but eh. It's useless to hold a 'grudge' towards tasuku tbh. He produces some good work, and honestly, I don't know if people care in the long run.. after all one of tasuku's previous Ayu-interludes was completely gypped by the Taiwanese trio band "F.I.R" and of course, no one gave a hoot about it.

Not really trying to make any excuses here, but I think that it's something that shouldn't be made a big deal of, but should still be remembered.. it just seems like people are disliking him simply because of some dumb melody that he copied. So what?

I'm mostly annoyed by how it's not his name on it, but ayu's. It's her name on the cover. Also, if he did that once, when will he do it again? Has he done it before? If a full song would turn out to be a rip off it would be awful.

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by zoomzoom

I'm mostly annoyed by how it's not his name on it, but ayu's. It's her name on the cover. Also, if he did that once, when will he do it again? Has he done it before? If a full song would turn out to be a rip off it would be awful.

Well, that's true. But I think this is the only case of tasuku ripping off someone else.

I'm sure no one would've noticed if someone didn't point it out tbh. If it happens again, then we can worry about tasuku and call him a total rip-off artist. But for now, we have to just let it go.

[*Petit*]

Originally Posted by zoomzoom

I'm mostly annoyed by how it's not his name on it, but ayu's. It's her name on the cover. Also, if he did that once, when will he do it again? Has he done it before? If a full song would turn out to be a rip off it would be awful.

TBE Honest I would just say GET OVER IT and enjoy the music. Just think of it as another version. I for once don't care for either songs, and another thing is that the arrangements are what's been ripped off, not the melody or thelyrics. This makes in fact somewhat of a difference because within the limited means of pop music the background rythm and chords will be repeated. Yes, it's maybe a little too much alike here because the instrumentation is similar as well, but that way of playing the chords you will find all the way back to bach. Im sick and tired of the complaining of ripping off and cover alligations all over this forum lately, even in threads it does NOT belong. A dress is a dress and con only have so many variations, and please, there are only 12 notees being used in all of pop music melodies alltogether, of course some of the passages will be repeated. O.o !!!! "#()&!¤=(/"%

[Tom Punks]

Originally Posted by *Petit*

TBE Honest I would just say GET OVER IT and enjoy the music. Just think of it as another version.

I have to wonder if you would say that if you worked hard to write a song, and someone completely ripped it off without giving you any credit whatsoever?

Stealing is stealing, even if "no one really listens to Hoobastank" or whatever. (Yeah, I know truehappiness said that, not you...)

But anyways, I agree that it's stupid to make so many threads about "Ayu's dress looks like someone's else's!" and whatnot, but completely copying a song is entirely different.

[*Petit*]

Originally Posted by Tom Punks

I have to wonder if you would say that if you worked hard to write a song, and someone completely ripped it off without giving you any credit whatsoever?

Stealing is stealing, even if "no one really listens to Hoobastank" or whatever. (Yeah, I know truehappiness said that, not you...)

But anyways, I agree that it's stupid to make so many threads about "Ayu's dress looks like someone's else's!" and whatnot, but completely copying a song is entirely different.

If you take those two sentences out of the context, yes I agree with you, but if you did also read the rest which was supposed to be connected, you'd see what I mean in terms of the difference between the accompanying music and the actual melody/lyrics etc. I think the similarities are yes a little too much in this case, but there has been no law suit so I would think either no one cares enough or it's just not apparent enough. The song is not completely copied at all, the intro is similar, that's it. It's not even the hook line. There are thousands of songs using the same standard "bass line" for dance music, polka etc. because this is generic and cannot be copyrighted. This intro is in between generic accomp music and a hook line IMO. I'm not saying it's not sounding the same, but it's not necessarily a copyright infringement or "lack of creativity" as some people are blowing this completely out of proportion.

Was Shakira's whenever wherever a copyright infringement of that pink floyd song or whoever it was just because the intro tones are almost exactly the same? No. And that was even a huge hit. from youtube reg. hoobs and ayus:

The chords are quite different actually. The beginning synth sounds are similar, but the guitar chords aren't. And the songs are in two different keys all together.

I'm not going to post more about this.. Will. Try. To. Ignore. From. Now. Maybe we could have a "I'm heartbroken OMG what did ayu/collaborateurs COPY!?!?!?! :" where we could gather all this drees imitation, copy music, carrying the same purse, copying her own shoes twice..

[Tom Punks]

Originally Posted by *Petit*

If you take those two sentences out of the context, yes I agree with you, but if you did also read the rest which was supposed to be connected, you'd see what I mean in terms of the difference between the accompanying music and the actual melody/lyrics etc. I think the similarities are yes a little too much in this case, but there has been no law suit so I would think either no one cares enough or it's just not apparent enough. The song is not completely copied at all, the intro is similar, that's it. It's not even the hook line. There are thousands of songs using the same standard "bass line" for dance music, polka etc. because this is generic and cannot be copyrighted. This intro is in between generic accomp music and a hook line IMO. I'm not saying it's not sounding the same, but it's not necessarily a copyright infringement or "lack of creativity" as some people are blowing this completely out of proportion.

Was Shakira's whenever wherever a copyright infringement of that pink floyd song or whoever it was just because the intro tones are almost exactly the same? No. And that was even a huge hit. from youtube reg. hoobs and ayus: I'm not going to post more about this.. Will. Try. To. Ignore. From. Now. Maybe we could have a "I'm heartbroken OMG what did ayu/collaborateurs COPY!?!?!?! :" where we could gather all this drees imitation, copy music, carrying the same purse, copying her own shoes twice..

Um... okay. I don't really get your point. Whether it's the hook line or not, taskinst sounds exactly the same as the intro to whatever that song is called. It kind of seems like you haven't even listened to the songs, because there's more in common here than just a "standard bass line". :/

And I'm not trying to say "i'm so heartbroken ayu&tasuku copy!!!" I mean, I really don't care THAT much. But I think it's seriously ridiculous to tell people to just "get over it".

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by *Petit*

If you take those two sentences out of the context, yes I agree with you, but if you did also read the rest which was supposed to be connected, you'd see what I mean in terms of the difference between the accompanying music and the actual melody/lyrics etc. I think the similarities are yes a little too much in this case, but there has been no law suit so I would think either no one cares enough or it's just not apparent enough. The song is not completely copied at all, the intro is similar, that's it. It's not even the hook line. There are thousands of songs using the same standard "bass line" for dance music, polka etc. because this is generic and cannot be copyrighted. This intro is in between generic accomp music and a hook line IMO. I'm not saying it's not sounding the same, but it's not necessarily a copyright infringement or "lack of creativity" as some people are blowing this completely out of proportion.

Was Shakira's whenever wherever a copyright infringement of that pink floyd song or whoever it was just because the intro tones are almost exactly the same? No. And that was even a huge hit. from youtube reg. hoobs and ayus: I'm not going to post more about this.. Will. Try. To. Ignore. From. Now. Maybe we could have a "I'm heartbroken OMG what did ayu/collaborateurs COPY!?!?!?! :" where we could gather all this drees imitation, copy music, carrying the same purse, copying her own shoes twice..

yeah ^^ I mean has anyone heard the obvious similarity of sweetbox's ADDICTED's bass and the one in 50 cent's In da club? In the end it turned out that GEO actually used that bg music for an old sweetbox song way before In da club was recorded. Tasuku's composition might have been made years before it was actually included on Ayu's album, and even if it wasn't, tasuku has done some amazing arrangements for ayu!

[zoomzoom]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

yeah ^^ I mean has anyone heard the obvious similarity of sweetbox's ADDICTED's bass and the one in 50 cent's In da club? In the end it turned out that GEO actually used that bg music for an old sweetbox song way before In da club was recorded. Tasuku's composition might have been made years before it was actually included on Ayu's album, and even if it wasn't, tasuku has done some amazing arrangements for ayu!

Geo is an entirely different story, he's known for ripping off other people.

And to say that only the intro of taskinst is the same, get out of your denial. He might have switched up the keys, but as a whole it's a rip off in the league of the Taiwanese JEWEL PV copy.

While it's not the end of the world, the attitude "oh it's no big deal" is ridiculous. Had it been the other way, someone ripping off ayu, we wouldn't have heard the end of it, like with the Taiwanese copy. Double standards much?

[ayumisrael]

I don't think it's a big deal (with tasuku's related issue) mainly since he/avex weren't sued for anything so it's all fine.
I also don't think it's a big deal when someone copies ayu since I feel proud of her when someone wants something she did or do something exactly like her XD
It's annoying if there aren't at least credits or bought copyrights though.

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by zoomzoom

While it's not the end of the world, the attitude "oh it's no big deal" is ridiculous. Had it been the other way, someone ripping off ayu, we wouldn't have heard the end of it, like with the Taiwanese copy. Double standards much?

Well, it isn't a big deal if you haven't noticed. There's probably like maybe 100-200 people that know, and they're the ones dwelling on the fact that "tasuku/Ayumi Hamasaki copied Hoobastank" but really. What can be done? Complaining about it or being moody about a tasuku arrangement/composition isn't going to change the fact that it happened.

I dunno why some of you continue to talk about it like it's a big topic. This is sort of like how China apparently "deceived the world" during the Olympics using cinematic footage for like 20 seconds and a lipsynching girl for 2 minutes.. sure it was wrong or whatever, but what's done is done.

[zoomzoom]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

Well, it isn't a big deal if you haven't noticed. There's probably like maybe 100-200 people that know, and they're the ones dwelling on the fact that "tasuku/Ayumi Hamasaki copied Hoobastank" but really. What can be done? Complaining about it or being moody about a tasuku arrangement/composition isn't going to change the fact that it happened.

Nope, nothing can be done. But it shouldn't just be discarded either, like some want to. We can thank Hoobastank for a cool interlude, not tasuku. It irked me a bit to see the complete "ZOMG YES HE'S BACK!!" attitude.

Copying just isn't cool, but I hope he does a good job with GREEN.

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by zoomzoom

Nope, nothing can be done. But it shouldn't just be discarded either, like some want to. We can thank Hoobastank for a cool interlude, not tasuku. It irked me a bit to see the complete "ZOMG YES HE'S BACK!!" attitude.

Copying just isn't cool, but I hope he does a good job with GREEN.

no one said copying is cool ^^ Just that he has done some great arrangements for Ayu and that we're looking forward to hear GREEN ^^

btw GEO did rip off many of the songs, but he mostly sampled stuff, again sometimes without giving credits which isn't right.

[GRACE]

It's fine for him to arrange songs for her, but it should stop there. No more compositions, no more task interludes, he blew it with taskinist. It's an integrity thing. Plus, the final product has her name on it in big letters and his in small print, so people make the conclusion "Ayumi copied" not "tasuku copied."

Arrangement's are fine, because it's really impossible to copy an arrangement to a song that has a brand new melody, so I'm quite excited for GREEN =D~

[truehappiness]

Well, he's only had about 5 compositions with Ayu, so I don't think he'll be doing many more in the future. [taskinlude, taskinillusion, fairyland, tasking, taskinst] But if he does do one, I expect something good to come from it.. it's not like he's a bad composer because of one "screwup." I think it's dumb to not want any more task- interludes just because of taskinst, since he's obviously good at what he does.

I don't necessarily think it's Ayu's name plastered on the track, since she's technically nowhere to be found on it, and it's called "task(tasuku)inst" meaning that this is "task's (tasuku's) work" and you'll see very often that Ayu often calls his interludes by these names.. lol.

09 taskinst
music and arrangement: tasuku

ayu: This is one of the task series, which has become customary to my album. -laughs- First of all please laugh at the title. -laughs- This one’s also like “this is task” and I like it. The melody’s pretty with the music box sound, it is sad and also eerie… sort of.
It starts with heart-beating atmosphere and all of a sudden, the guitar sound strikes! it really shows what task is like.

I wonder if Ayu would question it if it is brought to her attention.. but eh.

[GRACE]

Ayu's name is on the album, Ayu's name is listed as the artist when you put the CD into your computer, not tasuku. That's enough for some people. taskinist is a copy, it's a black mark that can't be ignored. Just because the band he copied from isn't popular and no one really cares about the music itself in the long run doesn't change the fact that he, as a composer, stole someone else's composition. It's a screw up that can't be swept under the rug and over looked, he copied, and I don't want to see him compose because of it. I'd feel the same way about any other composer doing the same thing, even CREA herself (god forbid).