[News] Gackt - Jesus (OUT 2008.11.26 // 2008.12.03)

[ImpactBreaker]

Originally Posted by bondingo

I'm gonna have to agree. The Japanese use of butchered English in songs and use of American symbols without understanding them seems awfully common and has no place being compared to those listening to Japanese music and not understanding the lyrics.

wait, that's absolutely ridiculous. Japanese may use english erroneously on their songs, byut they don't do it to please any american audiences. They make their songs for themselves. It's trendy, yeah, but it's trendy for them, not the US. On the other hand, some american artists use butchered spanish lyrics. You guys saying all those is ridiculous is just how you guys tell somebody you like JPOP and they go "hmph how do you listen to this japanese crap with annoying voices you don't even understand". No difference.

[bondingo]

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

wait, that's absolutely ridiculous. Japanese may use english erroneously on their songs, byut they don't do it to please any american audiences. They make their songs for themselves. It's trendy, yeah, but it's trendy for them, not the US. You guys saying all those is ridiculous is just how you guys tell somebody you like JPOP and they go "hmph how do you listen to this japanese crap with annoying voices you don't even understand". No difference.

You didn't even think about what I was saying, did you? I never said for one second that the Japanese used English to please American audiences. I was saying that the Japanese use English in their songs to appeal to the Japanese themselves, who find it trendy. Big difference there.

And there is a difference. People listen to music for a multitude of reasons. I'll listen to music in any language, regardless of whether I understand it or not, if I like the way it sounds. That's based on the melody appealing to my ears rather than me enjoying what they're actually saying. It's not that I'm blind and liking something I don't understand either. Music is universal and melodies can appeal to anyone, of an culture. A melody can be understood, despite the fact that the lyrics may not be, and therein lies the key difference. Music is simply something that is enjoyable to hear. I know there's some science behind it (my brother's majoring in Vocal Performance) but I personally don't remember the reason. Nevertheless, music can be appealing because ANYONE can understand a melody. And by understand, I mean enjoy. Surely you may have to understand a song's lyrics in order to fully understand the song, but you can easily enjoy a melody for the purpose of entertainment because you do understand how it goes and how it makes you feel. It isn't cultural as much as it's just raw, instinctual, and human. That is not the same as someone disregarding something's original cultural relevance in order to market it for profit. If you think that's the same thing, then good for you, but I certainly don't.

[nmskalmn]

People have the right to be offended if they feel that their religious and cultural symbols are being misused. I can see clearly how this song title would be offensive to some Christians (whatever country or culture they live in).

This isn't something that only Japan does however. No doubt you could find plenty of examples of Americans (or whatever country you live in) borrowing and disrespecting images from another society or religion.

AHS really is not the place for such a discussion though. If this thread doesn't get back on the topic of Gackt's new release it will end up being closed.

Originally Posted by nmskalmn

People have the right to be offended if they feel that their religious and cultural symbols are being misused. I can see clearly how this song title would be offensive to some Christians (whatever country or culture they live in).

This isn't something that only Japan does however. No doubt you could find plenty of examples of Americans (or whatever country you live in) borrowing and disrespecting images from another society or religion.

AHS really is not the place for such a discussion though. If this thread doesn't get back on the topic of Gackt's new release it will end up being closed.

I couldn't agree more.

And there is a huge difference between someone listening to J-Pop or a sushi restaurant opening and someone taking important religious symbols that are supposed to be sacred and using them as fashion or to be ~trendy~.

[ImpactBreaker]

Originally Posted by dddaiyamondo

I couldn't agree more.

I love ppl who contradict themselves ^ since their quote also include this:

Originally Posted by nmskalmn

AHS really is not the place for such a discussion though.

But they still keep on babbling about it...

I mean, you say you agree but you don't take the hint? How come you agreed then? After nmskalmn posted that I just stopped replying back, which mean I agreed with her but I'm not being rude/disrespectful to be dragging this over trying to continue this pointless discussion.

I'm closing the thread.