[Charts & Rankings] Days/GREEN ORICON SALES THREAD

Ayu's sales will be higher again. I have faith.

[bluegie]

Sometimes it's hard to judge the popularity of a song based upon airplay. As you know, nowadays executives in radio stations have the power to control what to play, and what not to. I'm not saying airplay is totally bu******* thing, but I can give an example right now --> Madonna's Hung Up. Was it popular back then? Yes. Did the radio stations play the song? Not really, cuz they still boycotting Madonna for the anti-war comments from last time.

By the way, Days gets no. 1 on overall weekly chart at recochoku this week. So I won't say Days is not popular at all..

http://recochoku.jp/recochoku_ranking/weekly_index.html


And about the airplay chart... You gotta explain how come MISIA's CATCH THE RAINBOW is no. 1 all over the place when her single obviously doesn't sell that well. She's only no. 11 on this week oricon weekly chart, plus it is not even on ringtone/full song digital charts at all. I don't really know should we trust airplay (from radio station), or ringtone/full song/video clips downloads (from general public). You can see MISIA is NO. 2 on Billboard Hot 100.. Somehow I find this ridiculous.

[kawaii otaku]

high sales do not equal high popularity, and low sales do not equal low popularity.

if people liked the songs, they'd request it and the radio stations would in turn play the song. but a lot of people don't even know about the song, probably, and that's why nobody is requesting it. i hope airplay picks up next week. Days will fall of Billboard MUCH faster than Oricon without any airplay.

And maybe if Billboard included Downloads, we could say Billboard is more reliable but they don't (yet, at least.)

[jbrat2219]

I think the billboard ranks a song by its popularity more than how much it actually sold. Because they add in all those ridiculous factors. So the fact that Mirrorcle World didn't make the top 100 doesn't surprise me and if Days/GREEN ranks low, it wouldn't surprise me either. I think I'll stick to getting my information from Oricon

[asmAyumi1992]

I didn't care much the song will in the billboard or chart or else. As I love the song, it 's still okay with me. Wish Ayu Good luck!

[bluegie]

Originally Posted by kawaii otaku

high sales do not equal high popularity, and low sales do not equal low popularity.

if people liked the songs, they'd request it and the radio stations would in turn play the song. but a lot of people don't even know about the song, probably, and that's why nobody is requesting it. i hope airplay picks up next week. Days will fall of Billboard MUCH faster than Oricon without any airplay.

And maybe if Billboard included Downloads, we could say Billboard is more reliable but they don't (yet, at least.)

I don't how the Japan radio stations go, but like I said airplay is not reliable as it used to be. The executives have power on what artists should have higher rotations. I'm not saying 100% correct, but you can't deny there's a possibility for that.

And like you said, high sales may due to hardcore fanbase. So for me, I think digital downloads and ringtone downloads (esp in Japan) really reflects how popular a song is. Airplay could be manipulated, but not digital downloads. If the general public doesn't like the song that much, there won't be lots of downloads for sure. Hardcore fans download AND buy the physical cd at the same time, so I'm sure artists with larger fanbase will get no. 1 on digital download for the first few days as well. But the longevity of downloads are from casual buyers. If they love the song, they just download it instead of buying the cd.

Day/GREEN is a really good example this time. Let's say the digital download is solely from fans, GREEN should be in the top 3 with Days as well. In fact, GREEN wasn't even in top 10 most of the time in the digital world. Also, I haven't seen an ayu song being to stand still on the top for quite a long time. Even together when (a digital single) could not stay that long (it went off from being the top after a few days...).

I can use kuu's stay with me as the example as well (ehh... before that don't scold me because I use her... it's just happened that she is releasing a single right now). I believe stay with me hasn't been into top 5 for ringtone downloads... and in the full song download chart it is only outside of top 20. For a freshly released single being on top of oricon, this really shows only her hardcore fans buying the physical single, while it is not well received in general. Of course we can say that her album will be released a month later. But now I can bring up another example: Mika's ORION. This song could break into top 5 even tho the album would be released a month later. So... this kinda say the close release between a single and an album don't extremely affect the digital world. In fact, casual buyers are going to download the album anywayz, while not buying the song first? All they need to do is not to buy the song again when they buy the digital album..

[njanjayrp]

Exactly ^^ Plus I really doubt that every single radio station in Japan plays stuff according to the requests of people all the time. And the Mika and Ku thingy was a good example. If Misia's song was actually well received I am sure that people would buy it in some way.

As for Days sliding from Billboard airplay charts - I don't think that anyone really cares, as long as the single sells

[kawaii otaku]

you figure if stations could "buy" and "control" what artist is at top, ayu would be up there.

sadly though, she just isn't.

[somethinglost]

Radio is dead in Japan. Also, Ayu has never been one to garner huge airplay, so there really is no surprise there. Main thing is that the single is selling well, right?

Besides, we have been relying on ORICON sales information for years, but Billboard just started tracking music stats in Japan. I think we should focus on ORICON, which for many years has been or reliable and sole source.

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by kawaii otaku

you figure if stations could "buy" and "control" what artist is at top, ayu would be up there.

sadly though, she just isn't.

We were saying the opposite~ but it seems you only want to provoke us by repeating the same thing all over

Anyhow whatever you might think :p sadly doesn't change the fact the single is selling quite nicely and that Days is popular digitally.

[maikaru]

The main thing is that...
iTunes failed to put Days into their online selling store.
So no one can buy Days in iTunes.. and iTunes is become increasingly popular too.. =[
How stupid.

[bluegie]

yeah it's weird that Days is not on iTunes. But the thing is, this song still manage to hit no. 1 on the full song chart on recochoku. It's really good

[Peger]

Radio is a dead medium in Japan. It's pretty much irrelevant. Chaku-Uta is the best way to gauge the popularity of a song.

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by koshka

I dunno.
Days is always performed in music shows so, is pretty popular ... I guess

How many times a song is performed on tv has nothing to do with how popular it is. All it means is that is how many shows that the record company was able to get the artist onto.

It's great that Days was number 1 for the week on recochaku. But we really shouldn't say its having high digital sales because we really don't know that. We are only seeing the ranking, not the numbers, so all that we know is she happens to be selling more than what is currently out at the moment. It could be that in the grand scheme of things the sales won't even be in the top 50 for the year or it could be in the top 20 etc etc. We really don't know.

[Catzi]

Another #1 for Ayu. That's great.

[bluegie]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

How many times a song is performed on tv has nothing to do with how popular it is. All it means is that is how many shows that the record company was able to get the artist onto.

It's great that Days was number 1 for the week on recochaku. But we really shouldn't say its having high digital sales because we really don't know that. We are only seeing the ranking, not the numbers, so all that we know is she happens to be selling more than what is currently out at the moment. It could be that in the grand scheme of things the sales won't even be in the top 50 for the year or it could be in the top 20 etc etc. We really don't know.

True for that, but we should be positive regarding the digital sales .

And yeah.. ayu always performs in CDTV, MS, MF, Music Japan, HEY!³ almost everytime whenever she releases something. So it doesn't relate to the popularity of the song. Of course, if ayu can't even enter top 10 one day, I guess you can kick away 2 to 3 shows I list above. (btw... has she sung Days on MF yet? or she is not going to...?)

[DA1SUK1DAY01691]

What's the use of the radio when she's blaring from all the music stores anyway?

I think it's silly how we're arguing her popularity. Although I agree with her "disconnecting" with the public just based on her fashion, she's still popular. I've looked in a hair magazine recently, and they have a page dedicated to her. So even if her clothes aren't relatable, at least her hair is. (Notice her hair isn't changing as much either, yeah?)

I think if she were to touch back on her previous fashion, though, she'd come back. That's what was so amazing about her before...

[Yum!Fruit_Salad!]

Yea, Ayu beat glitter's sales! Hopefully her index can stay near 2 thousand.

[Jeremy911]

Ayu's sales will never reach what they were in the beginning for one reason, and thats because of Illegal downloading.

[Luv ~Venus~]

^I wish some of you would stop blaming EVERYTHING about the downfall of sales on "illegal downloading". Yes, it's a contributing factor but that's not the only reason. It's because of the fact it's on sale digitally which is cheaper, people aren't interested in that artist's music that much anymore or just that particular release, people don't have the money like they use to, and of course illegal downloading.

Times have changed. There really aren't that many "I'm gonna his or her CDs because she's pretty, cool, etc etc" people out there anymore. =/ And the fact that it's on sale digitally would be a great contributing factor to artist's sales since people tend to buy it through that means. If Oricon would stop being in the old age and keep up with the times sales would look so much better. Some of you said that you really don't trust Billboard Japan but how is Oricon any better (especially since they don't count all the stores in Japan where the item is sold)? I mean, Oricon has had it's share of scandals. I'm not saying Oricon can't be trusted but it has it's share of faults.

Some of you should read more about the Billboard charts to get a better idea/understanding of how that rank artists. IIRC, all Billboard Japan does is add the artist's airplay(released songs only), physical sales, and digital sales (itunes-only I think) together to get a collection points or something of the sort. That is nothing bad compared to Oricon, who just base an artist's sales on one thing.

And sorry, I don't believe the "radio is dead media" in Japan especially since artists still go on the radio to promote their releases. =/ If it was that DEAD, I doubt record companies/artists would waste their time trying to promote. Plus most releases are heard through radio.