Rule PV Discussion

[Jinkoundo]

Heard the previews of the song & I was like its an OK song, heard the whole song I then was I like it (^_^) & now dat I've seen the whole PV I love the song & the PV as well (^.^) tho the PV didnt really live up 2 my expectations cuz of all the buzz surrounding it I guess & the fact dat it was said dat AYU did a lot of dancing in it than NE other PV B4, I didnt really c dat, but good PV over all. GO AYU!!!!



rock on!!!!!!

[jbrat2219]

Originally Posted by Melrose

I personally don't like seeing the same thing for..what..one and a half minutes straight and three-four minutes total? She's being doing that a lot lately.

one minute scene - 10 seconds different - one minute scene - etc.

That's awfully boring, and a good director should know this.

Her PVs back in the days of MY STORY were superb, imo. About You has so many different images, but they all fall together nicely. This PV has only three different images (or four, max) and they don't even fall together. Lol.

Of course there are exceptions to long scenes being boring, but that's not the case here.

[edit] Actually, her (m)u and Secret PVs were still good (Ladies Night, JEWEL, rainy day, 1 LOVE) but it has sort of gone down hill with Secret (Startin', Born To Be...), even further down hill with GUILTY and hit rock bottom with her recent videoclips. :') On the other hand, it can't get any worse than recently so she can only stay on the same level or improve.~

And why are her bloody dancers in EVERY PV lately? I don't LIKE your dancers, Ayu. I like YOU. That's why I'm fan of YOU and not "Ayumi Hamasaki & dancers". =_= I'm sure you have a lot of fun at the set, but how about making a good PV next time.

And Shuya is fattish and not hot.

So it's the lack of different images, is what you mean? It's the same thing for about a minute? To be honest, I never noticed

But I'm glad I understand better, thank you
I thought most people hated the PV due to minor things and the nitpicking was getting extremely annoying... But now at least I have a sensible reason for why the PV could be construed as not very good.

And now that you mention it (I watched it again), there are less images. But I guess it doesn't bother me as much.

Another question, if I may: Does this make the PV "bad" or just "not your cup of tea"? I'm not sure what makes a good PV, but like you said with exceptions, fewer images isn't what makes a PV good or bad.

I think Mirrorcle World was bad because the concept was so unclear, and it wasn't until it was analyzed that I understood anything, yet I don't recall the the amount of images (she looked gorgeous in every one of them though).

Yet, to use your example, I understood NOTHING that was going on in About you, but I guess the constant change of images keeps the audience interested...

So what really makes a PV bad?

[SURREAL__RAINBOW]

Originally Posted by jbrat2219

So what really makes a PV bad?

wow thank you!
u came up with a brilliant question!


i'll ask the same thing... but i think its a personal question in this case



whats a bad pv for you guys?? ^^

[ayu_fantasy]

Originally Posted by NintendoHTF1242

All the singers I like are different, no one is the same. Maybe musically, but not lyrically.

btw my two favorites are Utada and Ayu. Three and four can be Kuu and Leah.

Anyway, I do not want to start a fight. Lets just say I like Ayu's hair in the Rule PV xD I would have loved to see a Sparkle PV but no ;-;

Oh, okay... I see the differences between ayu and utada.

eh, but not that much difference between leah and kuu.
I like spakle to have a PV too.

[milky_way]

Originally Posted by ayu_fantasy

And to those Non-asian, you like complaining that her PVs are boring, but seriously, What do you know about asian culture? And do you even know what is CONSIDERED GOOD in the context of asian culture?

I don't see how not being Asian plays into this

[kuri♥ayu]

personally i loved this PV. super HOT!! perfect for the song

but i know this is probably really really stupid.... but maybe the jeweled up ayu is like some kind of "Sparkle" PV cameo LOL

[haikudasai]

Originally Posted by ayu_fantasy

And to those Non-asian, you like complaining that her PVs are boring, but seriously, What do you know about asian culture? And do you even know what is CONSIDERED GOOD in the context of asian culture? ayu's expectations for her PVs isn't same as your's dear . She said RULE PV is good and why bother talking so much here... haha.

There's a large spectrum of opinions you claim that those with very negative ones are being just asses. Now you throw a race card as if its worth anything. To assist you in your journey for counting all those negative comments maybe you should count yours and realize you're just acting like a pompous jerk.

It has nothing to do with Asian culture. It's a music video.

[Max_ZZZ]

ok well... i dont know about hidden meanbings but i sure as well found the plot nice!

ok from watching i saw:

the sword was important, it showed her the true friends from the foes
then the sword was lost so she didnt have power

then they went into the dojo

and when the bridge comes ayus friends are looking for the ayu with the jewels, i thought shu ya found her inside a room when he braced against the door. but then he couldnt get inside!

so they kameyameya'd their opponents LOL (dragonball reference)
and then the bird, who took the non violent way found the right path, and i guess he found the jwel ayu? but they didnt show her so maybe not?

LOL THAT WAS MY PLOT!

btw the sitting ayu was just to fill in that second verse for me... lol

[Max_ZZZ]

and LOL@ kuri ayu

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL sparkle cameo?

so like... on the next single we'll get a sparkle video with her? lol

[SURREAL__RAINBOW]

Originally Posted by kuri♥ayu

personally i loved this PV. super HOT!! perfect for the song

but i know this is probably really really stupid.... but maybe the jeweled up ayu is like some kind of "Sparkle" PV cameo LOL

lol!

i love that part xD


is the same that it happened in Mirrorcle World but in there she had the feathers etc

*-*

[emi♡]

Originally Posted by milky_way

I don't see how not being Asian plays into this

Originally Posted by haikudasai

There's a large spectrum of opinions you claim that those with very negative ones are being just asses. Now you throw a race card as if its worth anything. To assist you in your journey for counting all those negative comments maybe you should count yours and realize you're just acting like a pompous jerk.

It has nothing to do with Asian culture. It's a music video.

Thank you. For a moment I thought I was the only one who didn't see the relevancy of that argument.

what's your problem ayu_fantasy? Explain how our non-Asianness contributes to us not liking the video, or our ability to appreciate it.

Please, enlighten us.

[SURREAL__RAINBOW]

Originally Posted by emiko

Thank you. For a moment I thought I was the only one who didn't see the relevancy of that argument.

what's your problem ayu_fantasy? Please explain how our non-Asianness contributes to us not liking the video, or our ability to appreciate it.

i think i understand where she comes from, but she didnt mean it in THAT way we could all think of lol


things that are pretty popular in Japan and Asia, for us are pretty weird! have you watched that Simpsons episode when homer appears in this Japanese TV spot of cereal? LMAO so see? for western people asian stuff is just weird (not for everyone of course) or just bad...

ayu looks pretty and etc in this pv, but obviously in america theyre use to the perfect videoclips with the pretty cool hip hop dancing, big boobs, etc etc etc

ayu is not all that same as her producers, theyre all japanese or asian, they have not clue of what is to be western, they can only copy it or try to understand it lol



pheww lol

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by ayu_fantasy

And to those Non-asian, you like complaining that her PVs are boring, but seriously, What do you know about asian culture? And do you even know what is CONSIDERED GOOD in the context of asian culture? ayu's expectations for her PVs isn't same as your's dear . She said RULE PV is good and why bother talking so much here... haha.

Sorry about some generalisations here, but you can blame me. Some people does generalisations too.

I don't even see the point of bringing up Asian vs. non-Asian here. That has zero to do with whether someone thinks the PV is good or not. I'm sure there are plenty of Japanese that don't like the PV and plenty that do - being asian or not has nothing to do with judging the quality of the PV.

[Coelacanth]

Originally Posted by ayu_fantasy

And to those Non-asian, you like complaining that her PVs are boring, but seriously, What do you know about asian culture? And do you even know what is CONSIDERED GOOD in the context of asian culture? ayu's expectations for her PVs isn't same as your's dear . She said RULE PV is good and why bother talking so much here... haha.

Um, J-pop is almost completely influenced by Western music so I'm sure Asians have the same expectations for their music videos. And there's nothing particularly Asian about 'Rule' by the way. I've seen Western musicians make far better music videos that are Asian-themed and definitely less-cliched.

[elvis810]

I really like the PV, especially the camera effects.
But the white ayu look could have been executed better with more details.

Still, I'm looking for a big change of PV style like alterna...

btw, she should NEVER EVER use the Green/MW PV director again!

Hopefully, she can innovate in her album PVs.

[emi♡]

Originally Posted by SURREAL__RAINBOW

i think i understand where she comes from, but she didnt mean it in THAT way we could all think of lol

things that are pretty popular in Japan and Asia, for us are pretty weird! have you watched that Simpsons episode when homer appears in this Japanese TV spot of cereal? LMAO so see? for western people asian stuff is just weird (not for everyone of course) or just bad...

ayu looks pretty and etc in this pv, but obviously in america theyre use to the perfect videoclips with the pretty cool hip hop dancing, big boobs, etc etc etc

ayu is not all that same as her producers, theyre all japanese or asian, they have not clue of what is to be western, they can only copy it or try to understand it lol

okay....but I still don't understand what that has to do with a PV being good or not.

I understand that there are differences between the cultures. I think almost everyone at this forum understands that at least, or they probably wouldn't be here.

That being said, I think it's kind of rude to say that us in America would expect certain things like hip hop dancing and big boobs in a music video.

I think that trying to use the fact that "oh they just don't understand Japanese Culture" as a defense to why we don't like the PV, is not only comical, but very immature.

And besides, I don't recall anyone saying that the PV was bad because it had Asian motifs and symbols.

Besides, I couldn't care less if someone was Asian, European, American, or from Antarctica. Great art can come from anywhere, it isn't cultural at all, and doesn't take people from specific cultures to appreciate it.

I understand that cultures can have histories and biases to certain things, but that argument does not work here at this forum, and it never will, because imo, one of the very special things about all (or mostly all) of AHS's members, is their ability to see and know when something is great, beyond all that superficial crap.

And it's one of the reasons why we all love Ayu.

[SheFliesHigher]

I laughed at the part where Ayu dives onto her dancers' backs. I wonder how many times they had to do that before they got it right for the camera?

I liked the opening, when she comes through the doors, and I really liked the end, where the bird flies outside. Pretty neat.

My mind wasn't blown by this video, but I like it.

PS: Some of you people are weird. Why would you post on a message board if you just want other people to keep their opinions to themselves? Shouldn't you just sit alone in your room and talk to yourself, then? I mean really, these comments about "go watch Poker Face instead" and whatever are just so lame.

[SURREAL__RAINBOW]

Originally Posted by emiko

okay....but I still don't understand what that has to do with a PV being good or not.

I understand that there are differences between the cultures. I think almost everyone at this forum understands that at least, or they probably wouldn't be here.

That being said, I think it's kind of rude to say that us in America would expect certain things like hip hop dancing and big boobs in a music video.

I think that trying to use the fact that "oh they just don't understand Japanese Culture" as a defense to why we don't like the PV, is not only comical, but very immature.

And besides, I don't recall anyone saying that the PV was bad because it had Asian motifs and symbols.

Besides, I couldn't care less if someone was Asian, European, American, or from Antarctica. Great art can come from anywhere, it isn't cultural at all, and doesn't take people from specific cultures to appreciate it.

I understand that cultures can have histories and biases to certain things, but that argument does not work here at this forum, and it never will, because imo, one of the very special things about all (or mostly all) of AHS's members, is their ability to see and know when something is great, beyond all that superficial crap.

And it's one of the reasons why we all love Ayu.

hmm what can i say... you are always right i guess

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by jbrat2219

So what really makes a PV bad?

Talking as a Graphic Design student (what means I'm studing image, video, etc. at college): What makes a pv good is if the people that the video was directioned to like it or not... If ayu makes a pv for her japanese fans and japanese public in general and they like it, it's a good video... It all depends on what she wanted to do, and if she could do that

As I see, the main problem here is old ayu fans that don't like her present image and newer ayu fans that don't understand this (and there are some that like her since A Song for XX and still enjoy her works, but they are not here). Ayu is taking a big image change since (miss)understood, and a lot of her older fans can't really feel her right now, and that's why they find the new pvs bad, the new concerts over-done and the new music bland.

About the "asian thing", sorry, but that's true... I don't like most of ayu up-beat happy songs, cause they remind me of brazillian singers that release music only for children... But in Japan, it's a very common sound for adults too... A lot of things she done on her career where not fully understood by her western fans cause they are not asian (and I'm not talking that like "omg!1 we are dumb cause we are not asian!1!", there are a lot of things that eastern artists do that westerns don't really get too)

I don't really think that ayu have any bad video (maybe Born to be, and just because it have that lights that makes hurt our eyes),they are all very well made (even MW and Green, they aren't bad edited, they just uses a lot of non-mainstream aesthetics), they just were made on diferent moments of her career with diferent purposes...

And that's it... older fans need to understand that Ayu is not the same... Newer fans need to understand that some older fans aren't really found of the newer ayu...

[ayu_fantasy]

Originally Posted by emiko

Thank you. For a moment I thought I was the only one who didn't see the relevancy of that argument.

what's your problem ayu_fantasy? Explain how our non-Asianness contributes to us not liking the video, or our ability to appreciate it.

Please, enlighten us.

Hello?? What's my problem??.... Who's the one making a fuss out of RULE PV in the 1st place... who are the one's saying Poker face is way more entertaining?

I realise that non-asians are always criticising her videos being boring or "TOO RECYCLED"...
AND the thing about "Fish mouth", you can see pages and pages of it whenever she does some photoshoot. Actually, we thought 'Pout lips' are nice. But non-asians keep repeating about fish mouth.

You can't keep bringing you ideals and beliefs into ayu's video. She is an asian and she has her own expectations about dancing and her pv storyline. Just because it doesn't fits you, and you keep criticising it. OMG, what's the world becoming to?