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5th March 2009, 12:33 PM
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#463
5th March 2009, 12:40 PM
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nop....even ayu got her golden era after 5-6 year in music industry..... dont only count ayu existance in avex...take a look at d colombia japan too.. even ayu ever been kicked by colombia becuz of poor sales.... thx 2 the max who found ayu n make her HUGE...... n in my opinion arashi sales is not comparable to ayu sales on her peak.... ayu got EXTREMELY good sales both in her singles n albums.... yeah at that time cd sales was high...but ayu sales was leaving behind her competitor away.....n even tough ayu rarely got d top spot at d anual ranking...but she managed her self at d top seller too..... at her peak 600000 copies cd single sales was a tiny sales for ayu standart... even ayu made up her self to b the one of million seller which no all people could achive that status.... n one thing that make me proud about ayu that's she can maintain her popularity until her years.....usually a singer get their peak in 1-3 years but after it has passed by...their sales i kind a suck...... but ayu still be able to sell her single n album in higher margin compare to other singers....she can survive..... only few performer who can do it...just like ayu n hikki.....they can survive their sales.......  even i ever read a comment from japan today whaen there was a news about ayu...there's a western people who said that....."this girl is amazing i came to japan in the first time in 2001 n saw her every where in japan...n now i'm back here again after 7 years i'm still seein her every where in japan....what's her formula...?"" 
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#464
5th March 2009, 02:44 PM
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  You're right about it, when Nippon Colombia dropped her out because of I think "lack-of-potentials" on her and Max discovered her, she proved that they're wrong. 20 consecutive #1 single is amazing and 32nd #1 single is a greatest accomplishment in the Jpop industry despite of this World Financial Crisis happening today. Her hard-work and dedication was the one of the foundations why she was still there standing after a decade until now.
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#465
5th March 2009, 03:50 PM
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No one is degrading Ayu's accomplishments then though. I just disagree with comparing Arashi's sales of today to hers then. Just like you can't compare Ayu's sales today with the sales from 8/9 years ago. The million selling single is pretty much a pipedream for any artist today. A 500k-600k selling single today, is the million seller of yesteryear. Singles just sold way more then. To demonstrate the point, Arashi had a 900k+ single in 1999, yet today they are waaaay more popular than then, even if their cd sales are lower now.Quote:
And that's like saying that SMAPs status isn't comparable to Ayu's because their albums generally don't sell that strong either. Yet I think everyone would agree that SMAP is, well, one of the biggest groups to come out of Japan ever. Album sales do not mean everything and plus the reasons have been given for why Johnny's albums don't sell as well. Yet all of the Johnny's groups can continually sell out the Tokyo Dome for multiple dates or completely dominate TV airwaves every week of every year etc etc. Trust me though, if Arashi releases a double disc best of this year (which I think they will), I expect at least 500k sales. And actually, with the way album sales are going so far in 2009 - Arashi's 300k+ for their last album isn't looking all that bad anymore. lol. Quote:
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#466
5th March 2009, 04:28 PM
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And I guess yeah Arashi really took a long time to get where they are now (even though Koda did take more than 4-5 years, and Namie started flopping after 1999 until 2007-8), it seems that Hana Yori Dango did miracles to some. So yeah I might've gone to far. I am simply trying to say that people don't seem to care about their albums much, which doesn't make them any less popular, but does state that there is something wrong with them and I personally think that the "fan girls are poor" is only one of the factors - but than again if your fans don't buy your albums..who will? Plus the fact that majority of their fans are teenage does tell a lot too, I guess. As for them selling out the Tokyo Dome, I'd just say that, here where I live, CDs don't sell (almost) at all, but somehow people easily manage to make 300 000+ people concerts. It seems that Japan is really keen on males and I am positive it's not just their music they like. I really respect their hard work and all, but I personally think their record label pushes them and invest into their TV promo way more than the other ones do. xD We're really killing the thread with this, but I am really glad there are people here who are open for good discussion
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5th March 2009, 04:41 PM
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#468
5th March 2009, 04:48 PM
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I think it was mentioned by many people in several other threads that Ayu seem very 'far away' now... like not reachable; as if she's a star that's up in the sky. Maybe this "disconnection" causes her popularity to really suffer... I don't know.
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5th March 2009, 04:53 PM
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5th March 2009, 05:26 PM
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You're right about it, when Nippon Colombia dropped her out because of I think "lack-of-potentials" on her and Max discovered her, she proved that they're wrong. 20 consecutive #1 single is amazing and 32nd #1 single is a greatest accomplishment in the Jpop industry despite of this World Financial Crisis happening today. Her hard-work and dedication was the one of the foundations why she was still there standing after a decade until now.
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5th March 2009, 06:59 PM
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But when it comes to Ayu, I guess one of her problems is the fact that she rarely appears on variety shows, at least since 2004-2005. And in the end, both record labels simply work very differently and Japanese public simply seems to love men more (overall). |
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5th March 2009, 07:15 PM
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5th March 2009, 08:09 PM
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5th March 2009, 08:17 PM
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And yeah I really miss her variety show appearances. She doesn't even go on Utaban at all and that is the 2nd most watched show after Music Station. She used to do some fun things on heyx3, but even that she hasn't done in quite a long time now. I can't remember the last time she had a lengthy sit down talk segment on the show. I also miss the stuff she used to do like the Ayu and Gackt XMas special. Last edited by SunshineSlayer; 6th March 2009 at 01:07 AM. |
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5th March 2009, 11:38 PM
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in ma opinion when an artist launch an official album whether it would be success or not it will be called as her debut as an artist in music indusry.... so when u think ayu got her peak in an instant way i feel objected.....  ayu got her peak when she's in avex but u should have looked at her long way to grap d golden era.... and the debate about arashi n ayu sales/popularity comparasion when they're in their peak......just open our eyes widely....look at d truth that ayu is more successfull than arashi.....she was extra ultrasonic popular in japan when she's on her golden era.....even many asian media call it as japan phenomena...ayu's fever and many thing about d same thing..... her names were a success guarantee....her eyes were staring all side of japan....her poster is everywhere.....n the main thing is she changed d youth fashion culture.....she appeared in hundred commercial...and so on..... n talking about popularity in d peak era.....d main thing is world wide recognition...... as for exemple in ma country where j-pop and all j-entertainment are not really get attention....but when u asked general people in here about japan singer..... they only answered a few names japanese act.....n the most answered name is HIKARU UTADA N AYUMI HAMASAKI....when u asked about band they will answer LARUKU...... that's all ....no offends for all JE band..... but when u asked about JE they dont understand who is it.......they r still un-known here.......in ma country.....there're a few people who know them but they're J-LOVER so they know much about japan entertainment......but when u asked in general people.................????
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6th March 2009, 01:15 AM
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^ Sorry, but I'm not quite sure what you are talking about in half your post.
I've already made my point about why you can't compare sales today to sales then. And I don't really count Ayu's "struggle" since her Columbia debut, because if we are to believe her own words, she never intended to become a singer and even after the Columbia thing, she was just (in her own words) wasting her days away going to clubs and not doing much of anything. It was a shear one in a million chance that she was offered what she was from Max. Then after her debut it took about a year before she really started getting popular. I'm not even sure why anyone would even argue the point though that Ayu had quicker big success than Arashi? I mean, it kind of speaks for itself, so there's no reason to really argue it so much. ^_^The only other thing I can say is there is NO Japanese artist that is world wide famous. Go up to an average person and ask them to name a Japanese artist and they will look at you like you have 3 heads or something. A few Asian countries know some Japanese artists (and Arashi and Ayu are two of the few who have held concerts outside of Japan) but worldwide? No.
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6th March 2009, 01:17 AM
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Why won't they just release top 20 figures as well? Good to know she's not slipping any positions. Let's hope it will rise over time this week.
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#478
6th March 2009, 01:33 AM
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n her name may be had spread in japanese people as a singer.....at that time.... yep...may be ayu nop really familiar in world wide but at least she is more recognizeable in world than arashi...... i'm being fans without closing my eyes from reality....n d truth.....  n at ur point about past sales n today sales..... eventough at the past cd sales r higher than today...but stilll only few artist who got million selling cd....... and ayu on it.......
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#479
6th March 2009, 01:45 AM
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And if you really, reallly want to get into this subject. There is actually more proof to support that Arashi is actually the one that is more famous in asia or that they are at the very least the same level. (ex. Arashi actually toured Asia before Ayu did and played to more countries) BUT that does not make one better than the other in my eyes, I just think that when you make statements that you are presenting as fact, you should have some evidence to back it up. But of course since this is an Ayu board, I understand that no matter what, people will want to say that Ayu is the most famous etc etc. Not a bad thing because people just want to support Ayu, but any mention of another artists popularity should not be seen as an assault on Ayu either. Quote:
If you are to compare modern sales patterns to ones from 10 years ago and factor in the dive that sales have taken these days, 2 of Arashi's singles last year for sure could have qualified as million sellers and a 3rd one would have come close as well.In the end, why can't everyone just say - "Both are great in their own ways and both have their own large dedicated fan base. Ayumi had a very strong run at the top and now these days its finally Arashi's turn after being overshadowed by other groups for so long. Yay for them. And here's to hoping Ayumi is able to regain that same level of popularity she once had in the future?"
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6th March 2009, 01:57 AM
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 u made me died becuz of laughing hard........  yes but at that time ayu gained more sales than d other...... it's hard 4 arashi to gain status 50 millions selling copies...... even if arshi also gained golden era at late 2000 era.....
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