Lady Gaga vs. Ayumi Hamasaki... Who do you prefer?

[GRACE]

Originally Posted by identity

yes it will because even though i read most of your other stuff it's unnecessary and you're trying to get around the idea that you're wrong. her being talented will never be a fact. neither will famous artists being talented.

Originally Posted by sparkle glitter

Wow, thanks for that informative essay! I'll read that right now. /sarcasm

Grace, all you've managed to prove here is that you don't know the difference between fact and opinion... and that you care way too much about this argument. Just admit that you're wrong. You look foolish.
You've got too much free time on your hands, buddy.

If you actually read it, I made the point very clear that the accepted definition for talent is something that's measurable. Because it is.

[*Petit*]

Originally Posted by GRACE

If you actually read it, I made the point very clear that the accepted definition for talent is something that's measurable. Because it is.

It is only if you have some set measurements or goals. There's no general definition for "good" or "bad", for "quality" or the related "talent". You cannot measure it unless you have something to measure it up against. Just like some dancers can be "talented", but talentless when it comes to classical ballet (which is very specific).

As the painting you presented fails terribly to the rules of f.ex. classical painting thus in this case making it a "bad" painting. However, as the artist got vry popular for various reasons and was considered to have created something new, this is now viewed as great art.

Problem in pop music is that the rules, or what you measure up against isen't clear. Sales and appearances may be one way, in which lady gaga succeeds.

[jbrat2219]

Originally Posted by *Petit*

It is only if you have some set measurements or goals. There's no general definition for "good" or "bad", for "quality" or the related "talent". You cannot measure it unless you have something to measure it up against. Just like some dancers can be "talented", but talentless when it comes to classical ballet (which is very specific).

As the painting you presented fails terribly to the rules of f.ex. classical painting thus in this case making it a "bad" painting. However, as the artist got vry popular for various reasons and was considered to have created something new, this is now viewed as great art.

Problem in pop music is that the rules, or what you measure up against isen't clear. Sales and appearances may be one way, in which lady gaga succeeds.

I agree. You need something to measure it against in order for it to be considered fact. Such as, I am 165 cm tall. That's a fact because according to the metric system of measurement, I am 165 cm tall. Talent is usually judged on popular opinion.

One could say Lady Gaga is talented because she composes, dances and writes. One could also say, according to that statement, Ayu is not as talented as Gaga because she rarely composes, is not the best dancer and but writes all her lyrics. But that's only if you measure them against each other in specific categories with the same rules on both sides.