CDTV - Debut song that you would like to hear again

Foxxy_Fuyumi · #1 20th April 2009, 01:11 PM

Where's Utada with Automatic? That's weird =\

KarenPang · #2 20th April 2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Zemus

Glad that Ayu was included

Here is the full list romanized:

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thanks I will add it to the 1st post

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Originally Posted by Foxxy_Fuyumi

Where's Utada with Automatic? That's weird =\

omg yes man :O , what the hell ...

Ayumi27 · #3 20th April 2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxxy_Fuyumi

Where's Utada with Automatic? That's weird =\

Yeah, that's what I was commenting on the other post
No debut song list is complete without automatic

KarenPang · #4 20th April 2009, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayumi27

Yeah, that's what I was commenting on the other post

No debut song list is complete without automatic

I 2nd that with you as well dude

SunshineSlayer · #5 20th April 2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxxy_Fuyumi

Where's Utada with Automatic? That's weird =\

CDTV is always done by internet poll, so the results of these usually end up being a case of which ever artists can get their core fanbase to go and vote the most.

**ayumisrael** · #6 21st April 2009, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

CDTV is always done by internet poll, so the results of these usually end up being a case of which ever artists can get their core fanbase to go and vote the most.

So there are no artists with bigger (or as big) hardcore fanbases?

SunshineSlayer · #7 21st April 2009, 08:34 AM

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So there are no artists with bigger (or as big) hardcore fanbases?

I'm not quite sure what you mean? Usually with the CDTV polls, a lot of times the results are skewed to represent artists who have large fan bases on the internet; ie people who primarily have younger fan bases or more Otaku-ish fan bases. It's why Johnny's basically dominates every CDTV poll and why CDTV is pretty much the only place where you see Hello Project artists still appear. Notice also that all the Johnny's groups are usually the younger ones - for example no SMAP, TOKIO or V6 because their fans tend to be a bit older and therefore less likely to take part in an internet poll etc etc. Utada does have a very large fan base, however it is more spread out and contains more people that would be less likely to participate in online polls.

Hikawa Kiyoshi is interesting, but from what I understand, he too has a legion of screaming fan girls that would vote for him in these polls just like fan girls would support Tohoshinki or EXILE.

**ayumisrael** · #8 21st April 2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

I'm not quite sure what you mean? Usually with the CDTV polls, a lot of times the results are skewed to represent artists who have large fan bases on the internet; ie people who primarily have younger fan bases or more Otaku-ish fan bases. It's why Johnny's basically dominates every CDTV poll and why CDTV is pretty much the only place where you see Hello Project artists still appear. Notice also that all the Johnny's groups are usually the younger ones - for example no SMAP, TOKIO or V6 because their fans tend to be a bit older and therefore less likely to take part in an internet poll etc etc. Utada does have a very large fan base, however it is more spread out and contains more people that would be less likely to participate in online polls.

Hikawa Kiyoshi is interesting, but from what I understand, he too has a legion of screaming fan girls that would vote for him in these polls just like fan girls would support Tohoshinki or EXILE.

How come kuu's TAKE BACK isn't there then?
(at least she correlates to the ages...)

And another question considering the topic (at least of polls).
How reliable is the 3,000,000 Vote Awards Requests show's Poll at the end of the year?

SunshineSlayer · #9 21st April 2009, 07:42 PM

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And another question considering the topic (at least of polls).
How reliable is the 3,000,000 Vote Awards Requests show's Poll at the end of the year?

From what I remember, its allowed me to vote more than once before, so I would say it's dubious. It gives you at least a general idea though of how each artist does across different ages and genders. Also, it is completely dependent upon which artists agree to come to the show or at least send in some kind of video message - I'm sure there are plenty of artists that get voted for that you don't see simply because the show couldn't get them to appear - for example, I don't remember seeing SMAP there for a few years now yet you always have a handful of artists on there each year that are barely blips on the radar.

I think Best Artist is a fun show and one of my favorites to watch yearly, but I don't think any statistician or what not would ever take it seriously. In addition to the reasons above, there is also no way to verify anything. Anyone can lie and say they are a different gender or age which some people do either to purposely mess with the poll or for artists that have a certain amount of shame attached to them. For example, it is thought that many Morning Musume fans falsified their data in order to make the results look better.

But finally and most importantly, there is no way to know if 3,000,000 people really voted, let alone 3,000,000 individual people. Nothing is said of how many votes each artist got (and performance order has nothing to do with the number of votes). All that is known is of the total votes that person received, what are the age and genders that they received the most votes from. For all we know, someone could have gotten 10 votes and 6 of them were women, therefore they are marked as having high support among women. (extreme example, but you get the point^_^)

Ultimately, Best Artist is just like any other music show - its more of a combination of who the show is able to get and who the record companies want to be on there performing more than anything else imo. This was really exemplified last year when Britney Spears performed.