Hamasaki Ayumi and Avex face investigation by Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department

[truehappiness]

Again, I think this is being blown out of proportion even moreso by the fans than by the media in Japan. I mean, people are making a big deal out of Ayu saying that she should walk where she feels she should. That's just how she is. She's always been the type to say that, and if she'd just said: "Okay okay, I did something wrong, it's totally my fault, etc." I don't think that'd feel right since that's not "Ayu". It simply isn't her to be submissive or whatever when she knows that she's the one ~in the right~.

It's just rather sad that some of you are blasting Ayu for 'acting like a child' when she's just acting the way she always acts.

Perhaps this was the goal of whoever started this news story up. To get one side of people super pissed at Ayu for no reason whatsoever and one side really defensive. Well, looks like they succeeded...

Also; it's rather weird that when the 8,000 people appeared a month+ ago, people didn't really think much of what happened, and then now that the police are involved, some people are all up in arms like Ayu committed some sort of offensive crime. Do you call being a celebrity a crime or something? If so, there'd be like thousands of people in jail right now, haha.

I do find it strange that 8,000 people seemed to materialize from nowhere though. Ayu always goes out with her security to go on the shinkansen and stuff, and there's always a small group of people waiting, but 8,000? I wonder if it was just people acting on their human nature of ~crowding~.

[jbrat2219]

It seems like some people took the "I should be allowed to move where I want, without having to submit an application specifically for this" comment as "I should be able to do anything I want regardless of others." And I really don't even think that's what she meant at all. If she thought they had permission, then she probably didn't think that she personally had to submit an application to be there.

[maikaru]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

Again, I think this is being blown out of proportion even moreso by the fans than by the media in Japan. I mean, people are making a big deal out of Ayu saying that she should walk where she feels she should. That's just how she is. She's always been the type to say that, and if she'd just said: "Okay okay, I did something wrong, it's totally my fault, etc." I don't think that'd feel right since that's not "Ayu". It simply isn't her to be submissive or whatever when she knows that she's the one ~in the right~.

It's just rather sad that some of you are blasting Ayu for 'acting like a child' when she's just acting the way she always acts.

Perhaps this was the goal of whoever started this news story up. To get one side of people super pissed at Ayu for no reason whatsoever and one side really defensive. Well, looks like they succeeded...

Also; it's rather weird that when the 8,000 people appeared a month+ ago, people didn't really think much of what happened, and then now that the police are involved, some people are all up in arms like Ayu committed some sort of offensive crime. Do you call being a celebrity a crime or something? If so, there'd be like thousands of people in jail right now, haha.

I do find it strange that 8,000 people seemed to materialize from nowhere though. Ayu always goes out with her security to go on the shinkansen and stuff, and there's always a small group of people waiting, but 8,000? I wonder if it was just people acting on their human nature of ~crowding~.

I completely agree. Remember for Sept 11, she said she would apologize for the way she lived up until then, and a song is born was the only thing she could offer. She doesnt apologize for her life, she doesnt have to.

I find it sad that these people who watches Ayu through computer screens or television screens for entertainmment, feel they have the to treat her like a second rate citizen, and ask her to give up her rights of free will.
Just because she entertains you, she has to give up the rights and freedoms awarded to her as a human being and entertain you?? They sound just like the Avex scandals, when she was being forced around. This is exactly what she wanted to portray in Alterna pv.

People forget that she has always said that she doesnt care about being famous, or being a fashion leader, that she didn't set out to be one. She wears what she wants, that's it. So these people who call her diva, etc. Maybe you should learn a bit more about her.

She has also said that she knows one day her fame will go out, especially in song lyrics of vogue.. but people forget that.

I stand by my sentence in which I said, she should not apologize for exercising her right of freedom for walking in Shibuya and going into stores. I again ask you to step into her shoes, and restrict yourself from going to your favorite places for so many months, and see how you could survive.

The event could not just have been spontaneous; they had a canvas and stage area set up; It was the responsibility of her PR managers and Shibuya 109 mall, since Shibya 109 was the place of the event, and must have been authorized by the mall. It was not Ayumi's responsibility, since she specifically has PR managers and assistants for this reason, and paying them. Have some common sense, Ayumi cannot do everything, and is not expected to do everything. Ayumi was there for 3 minutes, not an extended period of time.

And yeah, it is so interesting how one month ago, everyone was so happy that this happened, and now, most people on this board are saying how stupid or how immature she is.

Maybe you should reevaluate who the immature person is.

[mja7033]

ayu is to rich and famous to go to jail.... this is all going to blow over

[truehappiness]

Just to flashback.

Look back at the thread here:
http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/showth...hlight=shibuya

No one really gave a hoot, haha.

[jimex289]

^Lulz yeah. It's like those police men suddenly got a revelation: "hmm...I see something seriously wrong here". Lolol.

[truehappiness]

"Hey, we haven't had a big news story in a while since Kusanagi's stripping..

Hey, that Hamasaki girl did something a month ago. Let's investigate."

-SCANDAL-

[Maxker]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

"Hey, we haven't had a big news story in a while since Kusanagi's stripping..

Hey, that Hamasaki girl did something a month ago. Let's investigate."

-SCANDAL-

Hahahahaha! I love your comments truehappiness They are always so unique ^^

[ImpactBreaker]

Originally Posted by maikaru

I find it sad that these people who watches Ayu through computer screens or television screens for entertainmment, feel they have the to treat her like a second rate citizen, and ask her to give up her rights of free will.
Just because she entertains you, she has to give up the rights and freedoms awarded to her as a human being and entertain you?? They sound just like the Avex scandals, when she was being forced around. This is exactly what she wanted to portray in Alterna pv.

People forget that she has always said that she doesnt care about being famous, or being a fashion leader, that she didn't set out to be one. She wears what she wants, that's it. So these people who call her diva, etc. Maybe you should learn a bit more about her.

ayu was never being forced around by avex. Fans often blows those out of proportion far more than it really is. :If her condition at avex was "so bad" she would have quitted it a long time ago (if she really has all the independency people claim she has). And paradoxally enough, avex is the one to record, print, publish and sell her "protests" against them. Doesn't it sound at least a little bit suspicious?

Originally Posted by maikaru

She has also said that she knows one day her fame will go out, especially in song lyrics of vogue.. but people forget that.

With replies like the one she gaves in this incident, I now know why she says that. I'm just kidding here, but well, quoting old lyrics really makes a lot of sense, specially since ayu has changed her point of views about her career quite a lot as she progressed through it. Also, what she said about her fame is really cliche nas jsut stating the obvious. It's like saying I'll die someday...like 'duh'

Originally Posted by maikaru

And yeah, it is so interesting how one month ago, everyone was so happy that this happened, and now, most people on this board are saying how stupid or how immature she is.

Maybe you should reevaluate who the immature person is.

Can you stop saying random innacurate things when you don't even check things properly? Check that old thread...Is there any post from me cheering there? No. I didn't even post on it. So don't say people who are not praising ayu for this, just because we don't lick ayu's boots were necessarily cheering for her a month ago. And about those who cheered for her back then and have a different opinion now, well, people can change opinions. That can actually be a sign of maturity, being able to review something and take new conclusions from it. However, not being able to read other people's opinion, and instead of refuting them with different ideas, you start turning it to personal attacks like you are starting to do, now that is a sign of immaturity In the previous thread, it wasn't clear that her appearance caused problems, and also there was no way for anyone to know whether she took a permission or not to draw a riot like that.


And people keep on bringing the subject about "why is it happening one month after?". Looks like people have forgotten what investigating means. Specially since that word is in the title of this thread. The event is over now, so the police can take their sweet time to check things more accurately. It's no like ayumi killed someone and immediately needs to be taken away from society. This matter can be properly investigated and sentences can be drawn after a while because there's no emergency about it. I'm actually glad the police is taking their sweet time for this. It's better to have a well thought sentence than have then quickly reaching a conclusion and unfairly sentencing someone who wasn't guilty on this. Maybe ayu won't even be blamed for anything after this investigation ends and they reach their conclusions..who knows.

[ayumixfan]

Originally Posted by Lady_Eowyn

amen


I think basically everyone is responsible for what happened, her staff, management, vivi and ayu included. It's not like ayu is a six year old girl and has no idea what is going on. I mean, we're talking about ayu, the gal who has a really tight control of her career, so saying she is not responsible is ridiculous. Like i said before, normal rules cannot apply to ayu because she is a celebrity. she should be able to walk normally like an average person, that's true, but unfortunately, when this happens, it's very likely there are going to be riots because people goes nuts:

"look who is there!!! is ayu!!!!! waaaaaahhhh!!!!!!!"

Her actions definitely can cause huge consequences, for right or wrong.Her book promotion was not intended to make trouble and i understand that, but i don't think it's fair either for the people who gets late because of the masses; here the lesson to learn is to be more careful next time. i think that's what ayu must explain and everthing is gonna be ok




LOL!!!!!

anyway, guys, don't get mad because ayu is not going to jail... the mere idea looks ridiculous to me everything is going to be fine, in my opinion

TOTALLY agree : ) ~! I know huh Its not like they're going to imprison ayu or anything. Its too small of a matter and its not like anything has happened to her lately, its still in investigation isnt it? XD

^ I know impact. I didn't even post in the other post either. And to read that is kind of offensive. I mean seriously... Calling us immature because we have a different opinion? :S

And seriously I think its obvious she wants to be a fashion leader and famous... I think thats kind of bluntly lying there haha. I mean I don't want to make comparisons but the way Hikki or ayaka dresses and acts is the reason why no1 considers them a queen, diva or anything. lol Thats not caring XD. When did she say all this anyways? :S I really don't remember her saying this. I only know she said she didn't want to be a product. I'm not saying its a bad thing that she cares, but I think its obvious she cares. And plus its cool that she cares, I mean she's taking her career to a whole new level by being part of the fashion scene and gather as much fame as she can. Thats how you make history

[njanjayrp]

I agree with truehappiness, people are making a huge issue and a scandal out of nothing. No one got hurt, all is well.

[emi♡]

Originally Posted by jbrat2219

It seems like some people took the "I should be allowed to move where I want, without having to submit an application specifically for this" comment as "I should be able to do anything I want regardless of others." And I really don't even think that's what she meant at all. If she thought they had permission, then she probably didn't think that she personally had to submit an application to be there.

seriously...god....you're like the only other person who has sense in this thread...

I just don't get the whole big discussion thing...it shouldn't make any difference...

at the end of the day, her staff gave her the green light, which was wrong.

Demure_Dusk is right, the tales of her staff's incompetence just go on and on...I don't get why she keeps these people on her team when none of them can do their jobs right.

[Ayu_Ready]

when will we know what is her jugement ?

[love in music]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

Again, I think this is being blown out of proportion even moreso by the fans than by the media in Japan. I mean, people are making a big deal out of Ayu saying that she should walk where she feels she should. That's just how she is. She's always been the type to say that, and if she'd just said: "Okay okay, I did something wrong, it's totally my fault, etc." I don't think that'd feel right since that's not "Ayu". It simply isn't her to be submissive or whatever when she knows that she's the one ~in the right~.

It's just rather sad that some of you are blasting Ayu for 'acting like a child' when she's just acting the way she always acts.

Perhaps this was the goal of whoever started this news story up. To get one side of people super pissed at Ayu for no reason whatsoever and one side really defensive. Well, looks like they succeeded...

Also; it's rather weird that when the 8,000 people appeared a month+ ago, people didn't really think much of what happened, and then now that the police are involved, some people are all up in arms like Ayu committed some sort of offensive crime. Do you call being a celebrity a crime or something? If so, there'd be like thousands of people in jail right now, haha.

I do find it strange that 8,000 people seemed to materialize from nowhere though. Ayu always goes out with her security to go on the shinkansen and stuff, and there's always a small group of people waiting, but 8,000? I wonder if it was just people acting on their human nature of ~crowding~.

i agree. best post in this thread

[truehappiness]

Not the best.

There are others.

And STILL making a mountain out of a molehill, I see.

It's so easy to get lost inside
A problem that seems so big at the time
It's like a river that's so wide it swallows you whole
While you're sitting around thinking about what you can't change
And worrying about all the wrong things
Time's flying by, moving so fast
You better make it count cause you can't get it back
Sometimes that mountain you've been climbing
Is just a grain of sand
And what you've been out there searching for forever
Is in your hands
Oh, and when you figure out love is all that matters after all
It sure makes everything else seem
So small
--So Small

[jimex289]

Lol ImpactBreaker you make some good points in your last post, but does it honestly take more than 1 month to find out if she didn't obtain a permit for the event, or if there was serious trouble caused by her appearance on the streets of Shibuya? According to the articles I've read it's only now being sent to the prosecutor's office for "further investigation". It's like we've only broken the tip of the iceberg, one month after the fact. I'm not a police man or investigator but my common sense tells me it doesn't take all that long to find out if you had clearance for something...especially if you are the Metropolitan police with a wealth of resources at your disposal. Maybe this is me just hastily assuming things but basically, you'd go to the person who authorizes such things and ask them: "Did she or did she not have permission to walk the streets of Shibuya, causing a big riot?" It's a yes or no answer for crying out loud. This is, in my opinion, something pretty clear cut. Then you look at that picture truehappiness posted and it's not hard to put two and two together.

"How many people does it take to screw in a lightbulb?"

Well, in this case, how many days does it take for the TMP to figure out something was wrong that day with all that media coverage clearly illustrating it? And the answer is too long... I guess they had more important things to do, such as going after real wrongdoers. In that case, why even bother turning this into a whole big ordeal? Fine her an exorbitant amount of money and be done with it. They're making it seem like she committed some sort of heinous deed with "she has to go through the whole legal process!" for blocking the roads for a couple of hours. These jokers are wasting their time and resources.

Also, this is kind of taking it too far but shouldn't some of the blame fall on the fans for crowding those streets? I mean Ayu's appearance obviously instigated this but if those fans were never there, I'm pretty confident she wouldn't be in this legal mess right about now. She can't help that other people want to see her can she?

[ayuayu798]

^ Your totally right!!!

[ImpactBreaker]

Originally Posted by jimex289

Lol ImpactBreaker you make some good points in your last post, but does it honestly take more than 1 month to find out if she didn't obtain a permit for the event, or if there was serious trouble caused by her appearance on the streets of Shibuya? According to the articles I've read it's only now being sent to the prosecutor's office for "further investigation". It's like we've only broken the tip of the iceberg, one month after the fact. I'm not a police man or investigator but my common sense tells me it doesn't take all that long to find out if you had clearance for something...especially if you are the Metropolitan police with a wealth of resources at your disposal. This is, in my opinion, something pretty clear cut. Then you look at that picture truehappiness posted and it's not hard to put two and two together.

I'm not sure how justice in Japan works, but in here, for something that isn't an emergency, the justice often sets a couple of days for some things to be settled before the judgement take its course, specially when an investigation is under course. I recently have received an intimation because someone had gone to the justice saying that they were unfairly dissaproved in a selection in which i was part of, and I was selected. They gave me 14 days to show a reply to justice. In the meanwhile, the process was not taking its course. The whole thing happened over 5 months ago, and this guy went to justice 4 mionths ago, and it even has a sort of emergency character. If I didn't have come up with a reply in the 14 days, I'd lose my chance of defending myself. The process is still taking its course. So it amazes me to see how people want a clear resolution of something in a few days. A month isn't even that much time to start with, and when it comes to justice, it is actually a laughable short time imo. Again, i'm not sure how fast Japn's justice is, but I've often seem that jsutice often takes a while to issue prosecutions, unless it's really something very serious.

Also, the fact something is so "in your face" doesn't mean you can quickly draw conclusions from it and quickly come up with sentence specially when it's actually not too clear who's to blame on this event. Also, as I think some people ahve already stated, the fact this has taken some time or just because it was ayu doesn't mean this shouldn't go through a legal process.

And about blaming the people for crowding the street: they weren't the ones who started the event in the first place. It's really easy to blame the consequences rather than the cause of a problem.

[panda87]

Originally Posted by InoriNoUta

^ getting a permit isn't Ayu's responsibility. It's her staff's. Going to music stores in the area is hardly "diva."

did i state that it was her sole responsibility? no. i expected her fans, supposedly at least half as intelligent as an animal like you probably believe yourself to be, to understand that such stars have managers who handle those things. and ayu should know, as well as her staff, how great of an impact her visits are to places she doesn't frequent as much as other places in Japan, so she should have the idea that perhaps, at least have something written down for the record that whatever damages and/or difficulties that concur during the event, who would be responsible, whether it states the city or Ayu's staff. even normal people do this. i'm sure we all trust Ayu is professional in her public activities, but despite the media exaggeration, she isn't totally a saint here. she does need to offer some kind of compensation, but i don't believe, however, that she needs to give an apology.

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

The opposite, she is just a human being and she wants to be normal like everyone else, she doesn't want all that divaish protection and special things and treatments like "look I'm coming everyone get far away from me I want to walk here I want to walk there so no one will be here go away, spread shooo oh and if anyone will do anything stupid the guards will punish you!" full of guards and stuff when she goes out. But still it wasn't her job to ask for a permission and it's wierd she is being blamed for that.

it's not the fact that calling in special protection and treatment for her coming is diva-ish, but consider that, as i mentioned, even normal people need some kind of written statement to protect themselves in cases like this if they should hold any kind of event, big or small. she knows how impactful her presence is, so she should've had at least a thought that "hmm, maybe i should keep this store jumpin short to avoid any potential problems for my fans and the area". i love Ayu to death, but i can see that she isn't a complete saint. i'm not saying it's ok that she's being blamed. i'm implying that if she knows who she is and her staff knows who she is, her staff should know that, to be professional, they should at least sought for some kind of written protection as, for someone like Ayu, these things are obviously inevitable.

[truehappiness]

Yeah, it's pretty much official.

This was made to split Ayu fans between those who don't give a hoot really, and those that care about what kind of parachute pants she's wearing on some given day.

-sigh-

Why does it have to come to this?

They ask me
"Do you go with the flow or want to stop it?"
"Do you turn a blind eye
Or aren't you even looking?"
"Are you fighting
Or raising the white flag?"
It's no time
To play a victim and escape
You see? We and this world have no sign of slowing down
If the acceleration just increase this way ...
Is it because I've become strong
That I can be without tears
Or ... ?

Now, let's stand up without fear
For the sake of no one else
And rip off the masks
With our own hands

However far I escape, I can't have a clean escape
How far does my past chase after me ?
I wonder if my past will catch up with
And pass me before long
Forgive me that I don't tell this to you