[News] R.I.P Michael Jackson died today

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

Well, the doctor has now spoken at least through his attorney, saying that the bed was a firm bed (this excuse is only valid if the bed is wood with no cushion!)

I haven't really seem the interview with the attorney, however, chest compressions can be performed efficiently on a bed, and it doesn't need to be 100% hard like a floor is in order for it to work. I can perform CPR on my bed just fine. It's possible for the health professional doing the proper techinique to know if what they're doing is efficient, specially if the patient is thin (which michael surely was) because you can see and feel the sternum diving deep into the chest while doing the compressions. In order for what I'm saying not to sound to vague, here's the abstract of an study showing no technical ifference in chest compressions done on a hospital bed (which is relatively soft) without a board under, and the ones done on the floor (a ahrd surface) by health professionals: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19388894. If you are trained and know how to perform the proper technique, it doesn't really matter if you are on a softer surface. I'm sure Michael didn't have a water jelly mattress or an elastic bed, or anything that would make it completely effortless to do the maneuver, anyways, so that statement doesn't invalidate his affirmation that the bed offered a firm surface, nor I believe the outcome would have changed had MJ received chest compressions on the floor surface. That's a technical tidbit that people will be pulling in order to blame whoever they can.

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

and then even further goes on to say that he put one hand under Michael's back and then administered CPR with his other hand. (I'm sorry but, is he trying to be funny or something?)

On the other hand this sounds a little bizarre. I haven't heard of this technique for doing CPR. I'm used to chest compressions with both hands followed by mouth-to-mouth breaths or the use of respiratory devices. I wonder if he'll explain this better or if his attorney just got lost in expalining the procedure that was done.

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

And that also this went on for about 30 minutes before calling an ambulance. This just screams negligence to me and often times these house doctors, especially in Hollywood, are little more than enablers with a license - even CPR laymen can tell that this was a botched job let alone various health care professionals that have been weighing in with their opinions. It seems as though this probably could have been prevented, or at least post poned had CPR not been given incorrectly for 30minutes before even calling the ambulance.

Once you start CPR you can't stop it to do something outside form the CPR standards. If he were to stop chest compressions in order to make a phone call, he'd be wasting time. I wonder about the other people in the house, like weren't there other employees around? They could have called the ambulance in the mean time.

It's really hard to put the blame on his death on the quality of assitance. Do you guys know how long was michael in respiratory arrest the moment he was found like that by someone or his doctor? If he was on an arrest for a couple of minutes when he was found, not even the best CPR would save him if anoxya and hypoperfusion had already caused damaged enugh damage to the brain, heart and other organs. Maybe some of those questions could becme a little less blurry by an autopsy and police enquiry, like estimating the exact time of his death (I mean you can try CPR on a person who's found dead but that doesn't mean CPR will be effective). If we take the hypothesis that he had a demerol overdosis, demerol kills by causing a respiratory arrest. Once the person stops breathing for a longer time, hypoxia comes and a cardiac arrest is the one of its consequences, generally as a pulseless heart activity or an asystole. asystole has a really poor prognosis, specially if the duration of the event has already taking a long time before CPR was administrated in cases in which the cuase was potentially reversible. While these kinds of heart arrests can genrally be reverted, the outcome is generally not good, and I bleieve Michael Jackson had one of those rather the ventricular fibrillation which can be promptly reverted by deffibrilation with a cardioversor.

Originally Posted by Amrai-chan

^ Also Michael had a slight pulse.

Where did you read that? If you have a central pulse, you're not on cardiac arrest, therefore, chest compressions are not indicated. If the person was pulseless but during CPR, a pulse is palpable, it shows the CPR is being relativelly efficient. If, after pausing for a few seconds the chest compressions in order to check for pulses, a central pulse is palpable, the cardiac arrest has been reverted, and chest compressions can be stopped.



About not knowing the adress, well, if the doctor or michael himself had designated people specifically for taking the doctor over his home, I don't really see why would it be absolutely necessary for the doctor himself to have the exact address memorized.

Was it confirmed that the last demrol injection was administered by the doctor though? I agree that if he did it, he should've had monitored Michael. However, are we really sure that Michael didn't really inject himself with it or osmething else before dying? I think we need ;wmore clues before making accusations. With more clues maybe it might become more clear that proper assistance was not given or that the doctors actions ultimately led to MJ's death, but that's really too premature too assume imo.