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Old 6th August 2010, 05:42 PM
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Could be a lot of reasons.

-She made the already existing R&B style into a popular style, more american sounding in Japanese.
-She was pretty young and wrote a love song like First Love>
->First Love which got really well marketed using a popular drama that fitted to it, that way a lot of people could get to know it.
-A lot of people in the process probably liked that she is young and writes and composes everything herself.
-I don't know if it was known then but maybe also because she is the daughter if keiko utada (her mother) that was a famous singer in the 70s or 80s in japan. people got interested in utada the daughter.
-Since Automatic she already got good tie-ins, it was a variety show's ending theme, Movin' on without you was in Nissan Terano car CM, that's probably how a lot of people started to discover her from.
-Using First Love is the album title/theme was a smashing great tactic.

She might be awesome but that's not a reason for a phenomenal success

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Could be a lot of reasons.

-She made the already existing R&B style into a popular style, more american sounding in Japanese.
-She was pretty young and wrote a love song like First Love>
->First Love which got really well marketed using a popular drama that fitted to it, that way a lot of people could get to know it.
-A lot of people in the process probably liked that she is young and writes and composes everything herself.
-I don't know if it was known then but maybe also because she is the daughter if keiko utada (her mother) that was a famous singer in the 70s or 80s in japan. people got interested in utada the daughter.
-Since Automatic she already got good tie-ins, it was a variety show's ending theme, Movin' on without you was in Nissan Terano car CM, that's probably how a lot of people started to discover her from.
-Using First Love is the album title/theme was a smashing great tactic.

She might be awesome but that's not a reason for a phenomenal success
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Old 6th August 2010, 08:23 PM
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She might be awesome but that's not a reason for a phenomenal success
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To sum up what ayumisrael has said:

Back then there were some R&B and hip-hop artists in Japanese market, but none of them could really fight into the mainstream market. (They produced most likely heavy R&B songs and Japanese people just could not get into it I think?) When hikki released Automatic, you can see it's a R&B-pop fusion and people were like "wow". Also, back then Toshiba used a strategy that worked really well to increase her popularity: hiding hikki. Hikki wasn't on any tv or radio show at all, and this create a stir in the public wondering who she really was (well they knew how she looked like since she was on her own pvs, but still they couldn't see her in shows). I remember that before First Love was released, the tv company has already signed a deal with Toshiba that a song would be a drama opening theme (which was First Love). When First Love released, everyone rushed to buy the album that it was sold out on the first two or three days (can't remember exactly). I think the initial press was about 2 million copies btw. Then the drama began and luckily it had a high ratings, which attracted lots of people to listen songs inside like First Love, Never let go (a song always played in the drama as well). This really boosted the sales. And I think hikki didn't really go on to any show until June (three months after album release). I think she attended MS that time, and if not beaten it's still the highest rating of the MS show ever.

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To correct that , she is awesome, and she's part of the phenomenal success .

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So the only thing I can think of, is that we dislike it now, but back then it was probably a very revolutionary piece of work.
I agree with that. Looking back her discography, First Love is quite blend, not as distinctive as the other albums. But no matter what back in 1999 it was a fresh hit to the Japanese.


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Having ur songs on popular tv shows, like successful dramas = good marketing...

Most of Hikki biggest hits like First Love, Can you keep a secret?, Sakura DROPS and Flavor of Life had VERY strong tie-ins... so, yeah, Hikki's marketing team is VERY good =) Good enough to keep her in without really having her to promote stuff...



Well, I really doubt... Mariah Carrey was releasing songs like First Love for a decade when the song got popular... And Mariah herself was pretty popular in Japan
Every artist in Japan have tie ins almost every single time when they release songs. It's just about being fortunate or not if the songs can be connected to popular dramas. First Love's drama? No one really knows if it would have high ratings, as Matsushima Nanako was just arise and no one could guarantee that she could bring the success to the drama. I agree that HERO drama helped CYKAS? because it had two really popular actor/actress there. And for SAKURA DOROPPUSU, well the drama wasn't even popular at all. Rather it's her illness boosting up the sales.

I dun see why hikki's success if overshadowed by the tie ins and stuff, as every artist is doing the same thing.

Also, I dun think it's fair to connect Mariah Carey with hikki, especially just for a song First Love. Yes Mariah Carey does release that type of songs for a decade or so, but in Japan it's rather new. Also, no matter what First Love is still a really good song, which captures lots of Japanese's hearts (and some of us as well ).
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I don't connect Mariah to Hikki other than First Love era, but really, Mariah had the best selling english album of Japan until Exodus, so, yeah, IMO the song First Love sounding somewhat like Mariah's ballads has something to do with Hikki being popular... obviously not the only factor, but one of the many...

And I don't think it's a bad thing at all having a good marketing team... FL isn't Japan's best selling album just cuz she is talented (what she IS) and cuz people loved her (what they DO), but also (and NOT only) cuz she was (and still is on Japan) very well promoted.

Hikki's fans tend to forget she IS a pop star, she sells tons, she is markeatable, she has strong tie-ins, she releases easy to listen romantic generic ballads from times to times, she milked her fans with that cartoon cat I forgot the name... They tend to forget she wants to sell her music and does it very well and they like to live on a imaginary land where the only reason she sells is cuz she is talented... Sorry, but nops... as much talented she is (and considering she is my FAVORITE musician of all time, I consider her to be very talented), she and her staff also make use of good marketing and good timing...

edit: and my big complain about her fans wasn't about u, Mr. bluegie, actually, I really like ur posts =)
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Hikki's fans tend to forget she IS a pop star, she sells tons, she is markeatable, she has strong tie-ins, she releases easy to listen romantic generic ballads from times to times, she milked her fans with that cartoon cat I forgot the name... They tend to forget she wants to sell her music and does it very well and they like to live on a imaginary land where the only reason she sells is cuz she is talented... Sorry, but nops... as much talented she is (and considering she is my FAVORITE musician of all time, I consider her to be very talented), she and her staff also make use of good marketing and good timing...

edit: and my big complain about her fans wasn't about u, Mr. bluegie, actually, I really like ur posts =)
Thanks for liking my posts . I like what you posts as well Andrenekoi haha.

Somehow.. yes, I do agree she has generic ballads from time to time. (hmmn... is there any in DEEP RIVER? or UTRA BLUE. I actually dun find those love ballads that generic.. or maybe the arrangements make the songs not too generic for me). FOL is one of the best examples. I thought that song would not sell that much until a few days after the premiere. It was one of the lovely lovely Japanese ballads with hikki's voice in it. It is a great song, but not too hikki unique style (you know what I mean). I never knew it would be that successful. I think that one indeed was super boosted by the drama. I think if the drama wasn't there, the single might sell about 150 - 200K physically, while ~2 million digitally.

It's kinda off topic but sometimes I wonder what would happen if ayu has a better drama tie ins. So far her songs connect to dramas with lower ratings.

Back to the topic. Yeah... talent doesn't equal to selling. We can see lots of talent artists sinking into nowhere (Misia for example). Hikki's team (her dad's team? ) made a really good tactic in the beginning, and it's fortunate that hikki is beloved by the general public in Japan. It's a miracle that she can still sell quite a lot after that many years (well in Japan an artist's top peak is really short), as there aren't many artists capable of doing that. (OT: I think I can still count ayu is one of them. Even tho her physical sales are mainly from the hardcore fans. It's not that easy to maintain that standard after 10 years in the industry. And her digital sales are not too bad rite...? Someone said she's the third best selling artist in the digital last year.)
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