What are your music standards?

[Hoshi no Suna]

By saying that they top the list, I'm stating my opinion. It's not a fact, we are allowed to have favourites and mine happen to be Japanese. The problem is that people make an argument out of an opinion. Which makes it seem as though we all should live in the same way, and enjoy the same things. It's true that I haven't listened to every single artist that's ever lived, but neither have those who point this out. Therefore my opinions are based on what I've heard so far. Even if I listen to musicians from other countries, if you ask me, who's your favourite, wouldn't the answer be obvious?

Originally Posted by emiko

but then there's the problem that, you can find really amazing and talented musicians in every place all over the world...they just might not be making the type of music that you value.

Which brings us right back to "opinions". Our tastes vary. And people who say that I am narrow minded are the ones who should consider applying this term to themselves, because they can't accept that someone may not favour their type of music.
Why can't we all be happy and listen to whatever we like?
Someone will say "appreciate music for what it is", because it's a wonderful thing, but I won't force myself to do something that I don't enjoy on a personal level.
For a mere moment of praise or whatever? So that someone may say that I "appreciate" music? Will you say that I don't, even though I spend a lot of money on supporting the artists I admire? This account proves that I like Ayu, and this forum, wasn't it made to bring the people who enjoy her music together?

Originally Posted by emiko

But I'm sorry that you've been misunderstood, but, I mean, if your premise was that you think Japanese music has some of the best music...perhaps you should find another way to say it, and start a new thread.

I think it would be really interesting to analyze possible "evidence" for something like that...even though, it's something based in opinion.

There's no point really. You can't find evidence for something that is based on opinions. We could have another discussion, but I won't be starting it.


@Mai82Go

I agree with you. Many people try to change others' beliefs when they differ from their own. What I find amusing is that every person on this forum likes Japanese music, right? And yet, when someone says that most of the music they listen to is Japanese, others are offended.
And I really fail to see why.
I'm not a robot, I'm a human being with a brain who doesn't let her beliefs (likes/dislikes) be changed by those who disagree with them.
What's even funnier is that I never flat out said "everything else is crap, Japanese music is best thing in the world!!", and you still get all those complaints.

I'm British, but it doesn't matter. When it comes to music, the language makes no difference. If I don't understand it, I'll go look for a translation, and then decide whether I like it, or not. Just like some people say, there can be a great song with bad lyrics, and a bad song with great lyrics. Which one do I choose? Neither.

But then again, what is good to me, may be atrocious to you.
And so on.

I think the reason why people are telling you to try different music is because it looked like you were stating your opinion as fact in your first post. I'm not saying that was your intention, but that's what it came off as.

See, what I got from the title of this thread and your first post, was that Japanese music is waaay up there, and everything else is... well like you said, crap. I'm not saying you feel this way, but that's how you wrote it out. I'm just getting this all from the word "standards". I felt as if you were saying that if you like only Japanese music, you have high standards. And if you like western, you have low standards.

That's just what I got from. Again, not saying you feel that way because I don't know. But maybe next time you could try wording what you mean better.

[primavera♥]

@Hoshi no Suna: I wrote a lot so here's a spoiler to contain it lol. Hopefully u understand what I'm trying to say. I know it may come off redundant at times.

Spoiler:

I don't think anyone is "offended"...nor is there an issue with just liking japanese music
I think it was your generalizing what I may say are "properties" of english/western music and saying that is why u dislike it. And then generalizing Japanese music as the opposite when honestly it is the same

But that's basically what I got. Maybe some lyrics and etc of japanese artists like ayu for example appeal more to you, but I honestly wouldn't diss western music as if there are no sincere artists, who write their own lyrics, and compose their own songs. And write lyrics that aren't just about sex.
Even in the mainstream.
So I think it was that u just seemed like another person stereotyping western music as oversexualized fake artists, etc.
U not liking western artists is fine. Speaking of them that way, to me isn't, because an artists composing a song, isn't "opinion"
The things u said, u could switch the situation and I would say the same thing

Is all. So u liking the lyrics of japanese artists and liking the music more and finding more emotion from them is cool. Its natural, baby, to like what u like. U found music u love which is a beautiful thing. But when u went on to say things about english music, that was different. If u don't like any of their lyrics or songs, nothing wrong with that. What probably made u seem close-minded was your close-minded views of english music.

Its like if I said

I like pop music since I love how the artists have beautfiull meaningful lyrics. And I'm touched by them. And the artists are just so much better

I hate rock music cuz its just a bunch of fakers who can't play guitar well and sing about sex and scream all the time.
(Lol its hard coming up with rock generalizations especially when I love it so much XD)

When u said something like "Can u please write your own song?" Well tell that to japanese artists too. Things like that are where u probably seemed to come off as very disagreeable with some people.
At least to me, that's what I saw. Its just like "huh?"

Its mainly I think just an issue with your sort of compare and contrast. But its gone now with your first post
I think people like emiko were just trying to enlighten u on those matters.
So don't take it as everyone being offended u don't like english music.

None of us know if u go into everything with a psychological bias. U might not even know. But if u can't find english music u like then oh well. Its all good.

^___^

[Hoshi no Suna]

@StrawbariSnowAyumi

Those examples I gave do apply to some musicians. And if I remember correctly what I said was "not everyone falls under those categories", but people were too busy paying attention to the negative part of my post.

I'm the most open-minded person you'd ever meet.
If I came off as the opposite... well, then I could have explained it differently, and for that I apologize.

[Yum!Fruit_Salad!]

It's what xLitax and emiko said earlier, you never intended your posts to sound as though Japanese music is definitively above other music but it's how it came off especially with one of the poll options reading "Even if it's not as good as Japanese (or Asian), I listen to other music as well". No one is trying to make you like something you don't like. It's as I said already, just the whole "anything that isn't Japanese = crap" sounding opening even though you don't mean it that way.

[primavera♥]

Originally Posted by Hoshi no Suna

@StrawbariSnowAyumi

Those examples I gave do apply to some musicians. And if I remember correctly what I said was "not everyone falls under those categories", but people were too busy paying attention to the negative part of my post.

I'm the most open-minded person you'd ever meet.
If I came off as the opposite... well, then I could have explained it differently, and for that I apologize.

i really couldnt figure out if u meant the poll or those artists. "but even ur not everyone falls under those categories" which trust me i remembered if u recall my earlier post. why list those for english. and not for japan? its things like that that made u come off that way. the way i mentioned. even when u say not everyone falls under those categories, u describing it that way specifically as a negative point of english music makes u seem u think most are. which is the usual intent for those types of statements.

yes you could have explained it differently. and i agree with yum! for the poll options. reading this thread initially was just...meh

[Hoshi no Suna]

Well, either way, I think we all know what was the intention.

Now we can move past this gloomy thread.

[Aditmi Krisnasaki ~II~]

when I love the song, then it won't matter...

[Nackar_91]

Theoretically, I love music from all over the world.

I DO however prefer Japanese music to Western music. This has NOTHING to do with quality or general styles, but everything to do with language. I love the Japanese language and I find it not only better suited but also more beautiful than English. Aside from that, though, English is my second favourite language. When I hear a song in Dutch I cringe.

[NekoF4]

for me if i like the song then i like it, and if i don't like the song then i don't like it
i don't tend to care about the artist although there are some artists who i try to avoid.

i just feel if you like something, then you can't help that.

But i do prefer it when i discover that a song i like was composed/written etc by the artist that is singing it, as I feel it has more meaning this way.

[BlackSilence]

Hmmmm.... I think people are such creatures that get used to things and after that when nothing actually surprises them anymore they start looking for something more thrilling...same, i guess, happened with me.
I've started from Britney Spears and now I'm sitting in a J-music world. I grew up with music that my dad used to play (the beatless, queen, ozzy....) so it changed my taste too after I started to realize that pop is too sweet for me. I went straight to the gothic rock.. What I'm trying to say is that I lisved with English music and just by little accident I found the j-music world. But then again, Ayu was first and when I listened to GACKT I was like "Who could listen to that?!" yeah...
the point is music taste changes with the person and their life, at least this is how I see that.
Right now I listen to mostly japanese, but I do still have my old western favorites from years ago. The main thing I usually look in the music is the richness of the melody, and the weird, unexpected sounds and solutions melody/vocal-wise, or just the melodic sound in the song which makes it so easy to listen and so catchy. I like finding new sounds while listening to songs over and over again, they simply don't get you borred. These are the only qualities that i actually find more in japanese than in western music.
To add to this, even my dad admited that at some point japanese music is different and fresh for the ears of those who never really heard any j-music before, I'm refering to rock in this case, since me and my dad we both are rock music lovers.

[YuriChan]

My saying usually goes, "I'll try something once"! But I try to open my mind to other music that isn't Asian at all! (^_^)

[Chibi-Chan]

I listen less and less to international artists