PV for Duty Released

[isthisLOL?]

@hidekirby
It seems to me the people loving it are mostly those with no idea about design and videos whatsoever. I'm no expert myself but know enough to see that this is not amazing and the people with actual design background I talked to about this video agree.
Still I think considering it's part of a pachinko machine it's ok, but compared to proper PVs it's...erm...

Originally Posted by Endless_RAINBOW

This video (or PV, I still don't know how to call it) has more money than any of her recents PVs. And, as someone previously said, "progress" deserved a PV like this (though I don't like the song).

This PV is really cheap, it's mostly cheap CGI...Virgin Road just recently broke the 1 million dollar mark making it one of the most expensive music videos shot in 2010(if not THE most expensive one)...BRILLANTE especially probably wasn't cheap either so...I have no idea what you are talking about.
And I happen to love the progress video, it's different but in a great way. I sometimes watch it just for that rollercoaster-esque rush when watching it right.

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by isthisLOL?

This PV is really cheap, it's mostly cheap CGI...Virgin Road just recently broke the 1 million dollar mark making it one of the most expensive music videos shot in 2010(if not THE most expensive one)...BRILLANTE especially probably wasn't cheap either so...I have no idea what you are talking about.
And I happen to love the progress video, it's different but in a great way. I sometimes watch it just for that rollercoaster-esque rush when watching it right.

I'm pretty sure Progress itself was very expensive to produce by music videos standarts... Not only it's not a usual technique (what always makes things expensive), it was shot covering a huge area, what means they spent more than usual on transporting themselves and equipment...

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The anime videos were pretty bad too... Ayu is overdramatic herself, but her anime version had a dramatic face from 5 to 5 seconds @____________@

[isthisLOL?]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

I'm pretty sure Progress itself was very expensive to produce by music videos standarts... Not only it's not a usual technique (what always makes things expensive), it was shot covering a huge area, what means they spent more than usual on transporting themselves and equipment...

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The anime videos were pretty bad too... Ayu is overdramatic herself, but her anime version had a dramatic face from 5 to 5 seconds @____________@

The main portion of progress was made of stop-motion photography in the Los Angeles area if I recall correctly. And for that they only needed a camera and someone in the area. I doubt they actually used any specific lighting for it and stuff. It's the type of music video you find often in amateur film because it is so cheap(but requires lots of repetitive work, which can get VERY boring and annoying)
If you wanna be cost-effective having one person walking around for 2-3 days(and driving at times) covers that. Then there are the few actors involved. I think the two studio scenes were probably the most expensive thing of the video...and they were simple make-up and outfits with a white background and a greenscreen...
And I honestly doubt they paid anything for the locations except maybe the indoor parts so...I have no idea where that PV got expensive? I would have guessed it's the cheapest FIVE PV(with beloved maybe)
That said I adore that video, but I think it was quite cheap.

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by isthisLOL?

The main portion of progress was made of stop-motion photography in the Los Angeles area if I recall correctly. And for that they only needed a camera and someone in the area. I doubt they actually used any specific lighting for it and stuff. It's the type of music video you find often in amateur film because it is so cheap(but requires lots of repetitive work, which can get VERY boring and annoying)
If you wanna be cost-effective having one person walking around for 2-3 days(and driving at times) covers that. Then there are the few actors involved. I think the two studio scenes were probably the most expensive thing of the video...and they were simple make-up and outfits with a white background and a greenscreen...
And I honestly doubt they paid anything for the locations except maybe the indoor parts so...I have no idea where that PV got expensive? I would have guessed it's the cheapest FIVE PV(with beloved maybe)
That said I adore that video, but I think it was quite cheap.

Well, I'm not an expert on American Geography, but they needed at least a beach, a desert and a big city... Even if the big city is near the desert and the beach, it already covers a larger area than your usual music video, what makes stuff more expensive per se... Still, on the first part of the PV, most people on streets seen to be Asian (I tried to pause the video and check, but it's so fast @_@) and the signs are written in (what I suppose is) Japanese, so, the first part was shoted in Japan and the second in LA...

Also, by the making off u can see it wasn't only one person taking the photos, but a small crew... The fact that this is not a usual technique for this kind of PV contributes cuz u need to get stuff from zero, different from more usual things that already have stuff done (I doubt the monsters and the background for the Pachinko video were produced exclusively for that video for example).

But I never said it was her most expensive music video, just that it is most likelly most expensive than most music videos, cuz PVs tend to be somewhat cheap to produce...

And I'm pretty sure the cheapest video from FIVE was ANother song... They didn't need to pay for dancers, cuz ayu used hers, they didn't need to pay for choreography, cuz Ayu troup has it, the outfits were used on the past and everything happens on only one place...

Still, neither are her cheapest video...

[hidekirby]

Originally Posted by isthisLOL?

It seems to me the people loving it are mostly those with no idea about design and videos whatsoever. I'm no expert myself but know enough to see that this is not amazing and the people with actual design background I talked to about this video agree.
Still I think considering it's part of a pachinko machine it's ok, but compared to proper PVs it's...erm...

I know what you mean. I'm far from being an expert or something esle myself. Yet I'm an arts student (animation) and have a little (very little) "background". And things like this PV are just... No.

But as you said, it really fits the pachinko thing. Look at this machine with all those colorful plastic diamonds and so on... It's pretty japanese actually haha!

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

The anime videos were pretty bad too... Ayu is overdramatic herself, but her anime version had a dramatic face from 5 to 5 seconds @____________@

Haha!
The anime part is just epic. I mean, I laughed through the whole thing! Ayu jumping so as to save one of her dancer, being trapped between life and death...!

[TeamAyu2004]

Originally Posted by hidekirby

I know what you mean. I'm far from being an expert or something esle myself. Yet I'm an arts student (animation) and have a little (very little) "background". And things like this PV are just... No.

You're going to have to explain, because I have background in making music videos and I have to say this is better then most of her PV's. Some of the animation is cheesy, yes, but as for telling a story, which most MV's/PV's are suppose to do (besides the ones that are just "artiste"), this ones does it very well.

As for the other comments about Ayu, yes. She looks amazing at the beginning... I don't understand why she doesn't wear her hair long all the time, she looks so much better to me!

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

You're going to have to explain, because I have background in making music videos and I have to say this is better then most of her PV's. Some of the animation is cheesy, yes, but as for telling a story, which most MV's/PV's are suppose to do (besides the ones that are just "artiste"), this ones does it very well.

As for the other comments about Ayu, yes. She looks amazing at the beginning... I don't understand why she doesn't wear her hair long all the time, she looks so much better to me!

Well... the fact the animation is telling the story doesn't makes it good...

And I found the whole concept and story to be pretty cheesy, so, it's not like i would love it with an amazing animation anyway... it looks like a random anime opening...

And I really hate to see ayu as a damsel in distress... It goes against her lyrics, the image the portrays most of the time and her performances...

[thatstacey]

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

You're going to have to explain, because I have background in making music videos and I have to say this is better then most of her PV's. Some of the animation is cheesy, yes, but as for telling a story, which most MV's/PV's are suppose to do (besides the ones that are just "artiste"), this ones does it very well.

Pretty much this. I think there's a problem in this thread of conflating "bad design" or bad direction with "cheap effects." I personally didn't like the video that much, but it's a lot better than her other PVs in terms of narrative cohesion. Her formal PVs may be more expensive and can afford better looking visual effects, but that doesn't mean they are implemented effectively. For awhile I've felt that her biggest PVs ("Mirrorcle World" especially) have comprised of little more than disjointed set pieces. This was a nice change in that respect.

Really, the whole thread of "people who like the video don't understand ~design" needs to stop. Give your fellow fans some credit; some people value the narrative--or maybe even just the narrative possibilities promised by Ayu stepping into the fantasy/action realm--over the quality of the effects themselves. And other people just like it without understanding or caring why. That's ok, too.

[AyUmIXx]

Originally Posted by thatstacey

Really, the whole thread of "people who like the video don't understand ~design" needs to stop. Give your fellow fans some credit; some people value the narrative--or maybe even just the narrative possibilities promised by Ayu stepping into the fantasy/action realm--over the quality of the effects themselves. And other people just like it without understanding or caring why. That's ok, too.

THAT'S SO TRUE!
i personally like the video because i think it's cool to have ayu in a game-like video clip to see. it'd be great if she could ever make something like this on her next release's PV.

it's NOT even the official Duty PV.

[*hearT_Place*]

Originally Posted by thatstacey

Really, the whole thread of "people who like the video don't understand ~design" needs to stop. Give your fellow fans some credit; some people value the narrative--or maybe even just the narrative possibilities promised by Ayu stepping into the fantasy/action realm--over the quality of the effects themselves. And other people just like it without understanding or caring why. That's ok, too.

+1

I was trying to think of a way to say this, but you said it perfectly