A CLIP BOX 1998-2011 on DVD & Blu-ray (01.01.2012) ~III~

[RayJason]

I'm stunned that the Hong Kong ver. is so much more cheaper than the original version. :O

[Tom Punks]

Originally Posted by RayJason

I'm stunned that the Hong Kong ver. is so much more cheaper than the original version. :O

Why? They're always like that.

[ZenAmako]

They can release a cheaper overseas version on DVD because the DVDs will be region 3 locked (almost all DVDs in Japan are region 2). With Blu-ray, Japan and Hong Kong are in the same region and that's why there won't be a Blu-ray release outside of Japan. People in Japan could import the cheaper HK version for 1/3 of the price and not need to worry about region coding. It's the same reason I don't see overseas versions of her concerts coming out on Blu-ray, at least not for a while.

As for illegal downloading, it isn't okay to steal something because you can't afford it. People will do it anyway because they can and they won't get caught, but that's the bottom line.

Personally, I saved my money, foregoing a lot of Black Friday deals and Christmas shopping and even selling off a few items so I could afford it (my copy is with the DHL courier now). Someone said they couldn't buy it because they wanted to preorder a Final Fantasy game; if I told you I had downloaded that game for free you might see where I'm coming from.

At any rate, I'm not sure I would have purchased this on Blu-ray had I known most of the videos were going to be upscaled, and a much cheaper overseas version was going to be released on DVD (I have a region free player that does a nice job of upscaling SD material). I'm also not impressed by what I've seen of the packaging or the bag. By the time the early reviews were in, my copy from Amazon was already "Shipping Soon". At this point I'm just hoping I won't be too disappointed.

By the way, I just found this forum when I was searching for some reviews of the box set, so hello.

[isthisLOL?]

Originally Posted by ZenAmako

As for illegal downloading, it isn't okay to steal something because you can't afford it. People will do it anyway because they can and they won't get caught, but that's the bottom line.

Stealing is NOT the right term. It's copying.
It's only stealing when otherwise the people would get the money, however if you copy it because you cannot afford it noone would get money otherwise -> no stealing.
If you download it though you can afford it it can be defined as stealing.

Downloading something because you cannot afford to buy it does not hurt anyone. I don't support piracy as a practice overall, overall it DOES harm the industry, but I think we do have to look at which acts actually do damage and which don't.

Is the overseas DVD playable on european DVD-players? If so I might get that one. 60€ is affordable to me and a fair price and it being bluray isn't all that important to me, I just want all of her PVs and CMs in physical form(right now I only have around 1/3 of her PVs)

[elaniel]

Originally Posted by isthisLOL?

Stealing is NOT the right term. It's copying.
It's only stealing when otherwise the people would get the money, however if you copy it because you cannot afford it noone would get money otherwise -> no stealing.
If you download it though you can afford it it can be defined as stealing.

So under your definition, someone out of work can go into a shop and take a CD because they can't afford it?

Just because you can not afford something does not make it right to "copy" something.

[isthisLOL?]

Originally Posted by elaniel

So under your definition, someone out of work can go into a shop and take a CD because they can't afford it?

Just because you can not afford something does not make it right to "copy" something.

No, you completely misunderstood the whole point of my post.
If you steal a physical copy of something it is gone, the person you take it from loses something. It's stealing if you get it while someone else loses it(may it the physical copy or money). When downloading you get a copy, the owner of the original(avex in this case) only loses something if you otherwise would have bought it, however if you don't have enough money you wouldn't have bought it -> aves doesn't lose anything -> you do not steal. You copy. It's obviously not legal but calling it stealing is plain wrong. Nobody is hurt in that scenario, nobody loses anything.

That said, like I pointed out in my original post, I do NOT support piracy overall. I do not support it if you do it because you don't want to pay. I support it if you don't have enough money to pay since no one is harmed that way.

Someone earning a few hundred dollars a month while having to pay rent and stuff can't easily afford the clip box, he would NOT buy it either way, him downloading it would not be stealing and it would not harm anyone.
While someone with a well-paid job who has enough money and simply doesn't want to pay if he can download it for free does steal since he otherwise(if downloading was not possible) would have probably bought it.

That's the difference. If someone loses something(be it the physical copy or money) it is stealing. However that is not always the case for downloading and that's the important thing about it.

There is no logical argument that something harming noone is immoral. Unfortunately big parts of our society are ****ed up enough from centuries of religion to believe that things that do not harm anyone can be "wrong" by default without thinking about it themselves.

[ZenAmako]

I think what "isthisLOL?" is saying is that no one gets hurt when the person doing the copying wouldn't have bought it anyway. I'll admit copying something is a bit different from stealing a physical copy (like a CD). What it is is intellectual property theft. Once someone has a copy of something, there is less of a need (with the exception of collectors) for that person to obtain a legally purchased copy. The IP on the disc is devalued.

Someone earlier in the thread brought up the anime industry, which has now shrunk to practically nothing in the U.S. because so many fans moved to free downloads. You can say anime was too expensive, you can say the companies were too slow to react to a changing market, but you can't say it didn't have a pretty major impact.

ANYWAY, my blu-ray box arrived today, so I look forward to checking it out this weekend! I didn't buy the previous clip collection or her more recent CD releases so this wasn't an unnecessary double dip for me.

Also, for the person who asked, the overseas version DVD will probably not be playable in a European player unless the player is region-free and can handle NTSC video. The DVD will be region 3 locked.

[douggn]

Originally Posted by elaniel

So under your definition, someone out of work can go into a shop and take a CD because they can't afford it?

Just because you can not afford something does not make it right to "copy" something.

But what about if you had all your ayumi collection stollen, Mine was and I dont have the money to re buy everything. I download because I dont see the problem if people are going to buy it in the future and for me, it will be the 2nd time I buy everything again. But Im not downloading this, I was just waiting for the HK ver