Lovey Dovey's are Cry Crying in T-ara's THIRD THREAD

[bondingo]

Originally Posted by ayurocks20

RUMOUR: With the addition of the new member Dani at the end of this year, 4 new girls will be added around that time bringing the groups total member count to 14.[/I]

Oh my god please be a joke. That's the stupidest ****ing thing I've heard in a long time. I want to meet this CEO so I can punch him in the ****ing face. He doesn't know **** about managing groups and he deserves to be fired and sued for making a mockery of what was once one of the best K-Pop groups ever.

[AyusakiFan]

Today's performance of "Day by Day" on Music Bank:



Unfortunately Soyeon and Hwayoung were absent from the performance as Soyeon is filming a drama and Hwayoung is injured. It was nice to see Eunjung take over Soyeon's parts since she was unable to be there but they originally stated Areum would be the member to help offer support to Soyeon vocally so why weren't the lines distributed to her? The whole point of the additions to the group (according to KKS) were to help lighten some of the burden off the original members and to be able to assist when other members are absent. So why are the original members the ones doing that instead of Areum being made to contribute during this time? This just proves the point that the new members were an unneccessary addition if they aren't being utilized for the purpose that they were intended to fulfill.

[freedreamer]

That live just showed me how important Hwayoung is to the group. Hyomin couldnt really remember that rap >.< Eunjung is amazing. Actually, Im so pleased with Hyomin and Eunjung taking up the rap parts again (and not Areum)...Though..Im sure Jiyeon, Qri, Boram could do the singing parts as well >.<

[miroro]

lol @ hyomin reading the lyrics she was totally lost
eunjung owned the perfomance <3 and i can't wait to see her new drama! just saw the teaser and i'm already having a new OTP with her and Joo Ji Hoon

[AyusakiFan]

Originally Posted by freedreamer

That live just showed me how important Hwayoung is to the group. Hyomin couldnt really remember that rap >.< Eunjung is amazing. Actually, Im so pleased with Hyomin and Eunjung taking up the rap parts again (and not Areum)...Though..Im sure Jiyeon, Qri, Boram could do the singing parts as well >.<

I missed Hwayoung as well although I do think Eunjung covered for her well. I was happy to see Hyomin assist as well even though she needed a cue card for the lines, lol. You'd think she'd know them by heart as many times as they have had to perform the song and sing it for recordings but I guess when you have your own lines to be concerned about, you're not focusing any atention on anyone else's parts.

[Mari-chan]

Originally Posted by ayurocks20

RUMOUR: With the addition of the new member Dani at the end of this year, 4 new girls will be added around that time bringing the groups total member count to 14. The ages of these four new girls will range between 16-21. With the new members, T-ARA has a possibility of being split into two different groups titled: T-ARA-BLACK & T-ARA-WHITE. The first group (T-ARA-BLACK) will focus on more mature songs while T-ARA-WHITE will be marketed towards a younger audience.

The head of CCE had this to say: "Throughout my career as a manager and CEO I have learnt ways to keep artists and groups successful. T-ARA are a girl group that requires much attention and work. Already 2012 has been a year full of relaxation and time off for the original 7 members who had begun to lose their edge. With the adition of Dani and the 4 new members, T-ARA can grow and divide in order to become marketable to more than one specific age group.

T-ARA is expected to make further announcements and updates following the release of their repackage album: Mirage


Sources: www.lolimjokingpeople.com/kpop/this_is_a_joke

I hope, it is not true. 14member... what for? To split them? So, why that manager don't create a new group... would have the same result.
So... if they really splitted.. I hope of the 7 original members and the new to the other group... so it's like T-ara is like befor.
But no... I really don't want them to become such a big group. (-.-) Bad idea.

So-Yeon is filming a Drama? But.. aren't there on a Japan-Tour? Or did I missunderstood something?

[AyusakiFan]

^ Based on the web address of the site which is cited as the source of the information, I wouldn't take that information too seriously. But apparently KKS will be announcing something soon regarding T-ara on the 30th so I am concerned about what he may be referring to in light of the situation that occured recently.

[12.07.28] Core Contents Media's CEO to make a very big announcement regarding T-ara on the 30th

With the recent attention on T-ara, Core Contents Media's CEO will make a big announcement regarding T-ara on the 30th.

Core Contents Media said on the 28th, "Core Contents Media's CEO is currently in Japan for meetings and T-ara's Japanese concert and will return on the 30th. At 1 PM KST, he will make a very big announcement regarding T-ara."

The content of the announcement is unknown, but it's likely related to the situation that happened recently on Twitter in which it looked like some members were insulting fellow member Hwayoung.

Meanwhile, T-ara were in Tokyo on the 25th and 26th for their "Jewelry Box" tour at the Budokan arena. Because of an ankle injury, Hwayoung wasn't able to perform.

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Source: http://news.nate.com.../20120728n04647
Translated by: Nathaniel @ Diadem

[freedreamer]

Wth? T-ARA BLACK and T-ARA WHITE?? is that source even credible..

and there's a LOT of controversy going around with Hwayoung and The rest of the members now...I will seriously be PISSED if Hwayoung was kicked out or something.

PART I

Girl group T-ara is receiving criticism from a few disappointed fans.

T-ara’s Hwayoung is currently in a wheelchair after hurting her leg from a music program on July 22nd, and was unable to fully participate in the group’s first independent concert at the Budokan.

After the concert, the T-ara members then posted a few tweets that netizens assumed was directed towards fellow member Hwayoung in a teasing manner, and the fans were shocked at the girls lashing out at Hwayoung and the fans are now questioning T-ara’s teamwork.

The story goes as follows.

T-ara held their first independent concert on July 25th and 26th at the Budokan in Tokyo, Japan. But ahead of their concert, T-ara had apologetically announced that because Hwayoung was injured, she would only be able to be on stage for part of their concert.

Towards the beginning of the Budokan performance, Soyeon, Eunjung, Qri, Boram, Jiyeon, and Hyomin each greeted the fans one at a time, and afterwards Hwayoung came on stage with her crutches, and the fans encouraged her with their cheers.

When the concert was nearly over, T-ara performed their hit song “Day By Day“, and Hwayoung performed her rap portion on stage seated in a chair.

But the problem began when the T-ara members began tweeting on July 25th. Some of their fans grew angry, as they felt the girls were publicly ridiculing Hwayoung and her determination / commitment level.

Hyomin had began by writing, “The differences in levels of determination^^, Let us all have more determination. Fighting!!!”

Member Jiyeon then resonded, “The differences in levels of determination ^^, Always be humble ^^ and sensible ^^ I applaud you, acting genius ^^”

Eunjung added, “A position can make or break a person, but determination can make a person too. Sigh, it’s unfortunate. You have to know to take care of the people around you.”

In response to this, Hwayoung had tweeted, “Sometimes, even determination alone is not enough. At times like these, I feel upset but I trust that it’s a blessing in disguise from the heavens. God, you know everything right?”

Member Hyoyoung of 5dolls who also happens to be Hwayoung’s twin sister then wrote, “My better half is suffering. My heart hurts. No matter what anyone else says, (Hwayoung), you can get through this,” and Hwayoung responded to her saying, “You’re the best.”

Many fans have interpreted these tweets to be attacks against Hwayoung. They believe that the members were pointing out that Hwayoung did not show enough determination, and thus by not performing throughout the entire concert, she had caused some inconveniences for the other members as they had to hurriedly figure out how to carry on their performances without her. Fans have responded negatively to these tweets to say the least. No matter how young the girls may be, they remarked that it is wrong for the girls as a group to publicly bash their very own group member.

On lookers further remarked that the girls got lost in the competition of becoming the main spotlight of the group. They expressed that the members coming together as a clique to say that an injured group member had no determination was a typical example of some mental cracks in their teamwork.

Their agency at first argued that the girls’ accounts had been hacked, but it seems unlikely that all of their individual Twitters could have been hacked at the same time.

PART II

Amidst the controversy currently brewing around T-ara with their tweets and the news of an upcoming major announcement about the group, member Hwayoung just recently updated her Twitter with a message that has left fans curious.

On the morning of July 28th (KST), she wrote, “The support of my family and my fans is worth so much to me. Please watch over me.”

She also previously tweeted a photo of herself and twin sister Hyoyoung holding hands, writing, “Ryu! Thanks for being by my side. I love you”, which seems to be a response to the supportive messages Hyoyoung had written on her own Twitter.

Hyoyoung herself is attracting attention for some of her mysterious tweets that follow after the controversial tweets. One of her tweets read, “What does it matter if your face is pretty. It’s your heart that has to be pretty. Is a person who is unwell, not a person? I’m hurting too. I want to seriously cry. I should just practice instead..” leaving fans to wonder what she could be referring to.

Ever since the controversy broke out online, fans have been voicing their concern for T-ara as well as sending messages of support to Hwayoung.

Kim Kwang Soo has also announced that he will be releasing a statement regarding T-ara on July 30th.

PART III

On the 28th, Core Contents Media shared that it would make a major announcement about T-ara on July 30th.

Through official reports released to the media on the 28th, Core Contents Media revealed, “CEO Kim Kwang Soo, who is currently in Japan for T-ara’s concert, will return to Korea on the 30th, and at 1 pm, he will make a major announcement regarding T-ara.”

Fans are curious to hear what this will be about as it’s pretty rare for an agency to give a forewarning about an upcoming big announcement about its idol groups, and also because no specific details have been revealed about what the announcement will be about.

It is speculated that the announcement will have something to do with T-ara members’ recent tweets, which have come under criticism for they seem to refer to Hwayoung‘s inability to perform on stage due to her injury.

Source+Picture: OSEN via Nate

WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bondingo]

Are you kidding me? They said those things about her? What *****es. I never really cared for Jiyeon anyways because she's overrated, but Hyomin and my favorite, Eunjung? Goddammit. This group is losing it.


EDIT: Oh great, and two other members have tweeted about it as well. Here are Soyeon and Boram's tweets...

Soyeon: "It’s a difference in Dedication + Manners + Selflessness. Let’s be strong again today."

Boram: "Clapping… clapclapclap!!" RT Jiyeon: (Jiyeon's tweet)

It's like they're in high school, ganging up on one girl. Hwayoung's tweets are really breaking my heart. Poor girl. It's not her fault at all. Haven't any of the other members have injuries before? I'm just so disgusted right now. There's no two ways around this. They're being incredibly rude and seeing that these are the kind of people they are, my respect for them has plummeted.

[freedreamer]

I hated what 5dolls did to their leader Soomi. literally drove her out of the group! Two of their own members. and IS T-ARA FOLLOWING IN THAT DIRECTION TOO??? It's disgusting really!! What is going on?! Are they really so distanced from Hwayoung now? I'm really worried. I need answers before I actually lose my respect for these girls. It's really not good.

EDIT: before we really jump to conclusions, let's be positive ya?

[Mari-chan]

Ok... to understand it right. Do the other membert wrote about Hwayoung on twitter, because she is injured or because, she had performed with ther injury? I can't really figure it out.
I don't think, if they are angry or whatever on a member, they should not write it down where every person can read it. It's much to public. They should tell it herself, if they wanna say something about it.... not throug twitter. (-.-)
It's like.. Kindergarden. (-.-) Sorry.

a big announcemet? Ahhh... seems to have to do with the quarrel. I don't hope, Hwayoung is leaving the band now.

[freedreamer]

^And precisely that it's so public...I honestly dont know why they are doing this?! Surely they are smarter than that right? It's so confusing >.< this is such a good year musically for them but terrible year for their group dynamics..

[miroro]

This is just crazy and talking about this on twitter isn't helping either.
Tbh this had to happen sooner of later after all the **** their CEO has put them through (competing among them to get the spotlight, making them perfom while being sick ..)

[freedreamer]

Netizens uncover meaning behind T-ara Hyomin’s Twitter profile picture

After news of an alleged conflict between T-ara and member Hwayoung spread, Core Contents Media released a statement that they would be making a big announcement concerning the group on July 30 KST.

T-ara’s Hyomin changed her Twitter profile picture on July 28 to a partial screencap with cut-off words. Netizens, however, soon uncovered the entire picture and meaning of Hyomin’s new profile picture.

The full picture shows a turtle walking through arid soul with the large caption: “There’s a reason for everything.”

What do you think Hyomin was referring to?

new stuff on the issue? T-ara is definitely going through change. I wonder what's on the member's minds.

Honestly, I sense Hwayoung is leaving
the girls...they seem really positive of it..Not BECAUSE she is leaving but I guess they want to feel positive and show a strong image. They are appearing to be happy? Its one way of seeing things at the moment...

I wonder what all the "Determination" and hints of someone's arrogance are referring to...
If Hwayoung has been resenting to perform because of her injury and that she may have gotten a little too far that she's been getting spotlight due to her rap, then she's definitely in the wrong because yes, humility IS an important virtue. However, even so, I don't see a reason why the other members (IF THEY ARE SAYING SOMETHING AGAINST HER), would need to all post similar things as though to make a point and there, Hwayoung responded in another manner regarding the same topic. Do the girls have THAT much angst in them against her?

[Mari-chan]

The others are angry because she was spottlighted in her Rap-Part? But the others was shown the whole show... she only for that little part. What's wrong with it? I think, it is ok. It was the only part for her on the concert.

But will she really leave the group only because of this? Would be a bit much.. wouldn't it?

[freedreamer]

^No..not that she was spotlighted in her rap but rather she only performed in Day By Day? We don't even know what are they really feeling..what are they trying to say. A lot of speculation now is that the tweets are hinting that Hwayoung doesnt seem to have as much resolute as the other members since she isn't performing while she's injured.

I feel the need to share this piece of opinion I got from tumblr

I understand that T-ara has gone through numerous member changes. Hyomin, Eunjung and Jiyeon are the original members when the group first debuted, then when 2 members left, Qri, Boram and Soyeon were added. These 6 are probably more well-known than the original 5 members due to the many hit songs that they released as this 6-membered group. After that CCM added Hwayoung in 2010, followed by Ahreum and Dani this year.

This addition of new members into an already well-established group will inevitably cause some tension between the original and new group members. I don’t actually follow T-ara that much apart from listening to their songs so I can’t really comment. But just like us, the original members are not saints but human beings and I can sort of understand how they must have felt. After all, when you’ve slogged your guts out to put your group’s name out there, and some newbie just comes into the group without having to do put in the same amount of effort? If it was me, I’ll feel that it’s quite unfair.

Now this issue has been magnified following their controversial tweets. Many have been saying that the three members were publicly criticising Hwayoung on twitter(although no names were mentioned), supposedly for her leg injury. Hwayoung also replied with her own tweet and her twin sister Hyoyoung (Co-Ed School/5dolls, also under CCM) also tweeted to her, comforting her.

How do I say this…let me try to be objective. I am actually very unsure about the situation right now. Because even if the three (and the others?) were upset at Hwayoung, why would they diss her outright on a public social networking site, where fans can easily read their conversation? This is like, a slap to their own faces, because they will be then labelled as ‘*****es’ by the public. Their careers will be heavily jeopardized. So why would the original members of T-ara, who worked so hard for the group to be as successful as it is today, do such things that can possibly gain them hordes of haters, a bad reputation, or in the worse case scenario, end their careers? I think this is a question that has to be thought about.

[bondingo]

^ I know you didn't write that, but in regards to them being the original members...if that's the case and they resent Hwayoung, then they're idiots. What HUGELY popular song was Hwayoung not with them for...Bo Peep Bo Peep and maybe I Go Crazy Because of You, if you count that one. She was there for yayaya, Roly Poly, Cry Cry, Lovey-Dovey, and now Day By Day. She only joined almost exactly one year after Absolute First Album if you consider Temptastic's release date. It's just ridiculous for any of them to insult her because they resent her for riding on their "established success". I'm pretty sure Roly-Poly was what really cemented T-ARA as one of Korea's biggest groups. At least Qri had the decency to keep her mouth shut and just post an encouraging tweet about everyone trying their best.

And for anyone saying they weren't insulting her: I have to question whether English is your first language or not. They're veiled slightly, but they're most definitely digs at Hwayoung. It's extremely evident in their language and considering the circumstances. Eunjung hurt her leg (or ankle or something) at one point but still performed, hence the reason they feel they're entitled to say these comments.

[AyusakiFan]

I am very saddened and disappointed with everything that has been occurring recently but I can't say that I'm surprised. Honestly, it was only a matter of time. This is exactly the type of environment that is bred under these circumstances when dealing with a CEO who clearly doesn't know what he's doing and his artists have had to suffer the consequences because of it. It's been evidenced in their interaction with each other for awhile now that the original members were never able to establish a bond with Hwayoung quite like they did with each other. Their tweets as well as their actions following them have further shown that there is a serious problem going on under CCM and in their group. It's very obvious that these tweets are a criticism of Hwayoung's character and that Hwayoung and her sister felt the need to defend Hwayoung. Overall, the fact that they decided to handle this situation in this manner and over Twitter for everyone to see while still continuing to do so shows a lack of maturity on their end, which appears to be equivalent to a bunch of high school girls. As much as I love T-ara's music, this situation has made me lose respect for them and is making me question if this is even worth it anymore (for the girls and the fans). They seem to be in a very unhappy environment and the fans are constantly being made unhappy with KKS and CCM's decisions. Unless they can settle this peacefully (and I hope they do), there's going to have to be some major changes made in order to rectify this situation which unfortunately may result in something that we may not want to see happen but may be inevitable at this point. What a mess.

[Mari-chan]

Originally Posted by freedreamer

^No..not that she was spotlighted in her rap but rather she only performed in Day By Day? We don't even know what are they really feeling..what are they trying to say. A lot of speculation now is that the tweets are hinting that Hwayoung doesnt seem to have as much resolute as the other members since she isn't performing while she's injured.

But other members also don't performe, while they were injured. Eng-Jung was missing a lot of Lovey-Dovey-Performances.
Maybee everything is not as it seem so.. and they wrote it refering to something different.
So.. if they don't think it is fair having new members.. they should also bashing Ahreum... she is newer.
So.. on the 30. July, we will see, what the real news are.

[ahtka-chan]

Being a long time fan of the girls I've been thinking that, maybe, this whole situatuon was intentional.

Eunjung had to perform several times with her leg injuried, Hyomin and Jiyeon are always with thousand projects simultaneously, Soyeon always sings 75% of the songs.

I think that the girls are really tired of CCM and KKS so maybe, all this bashing on Hwayoung was just an opportunity the girls saw to cause a huge commotion, so they could get fired or something like that from CCM.

It's not a recent thing that they've been complaining about their work schedule and the way they're treated.

And I really think that the addiction of Ahreum and Dani was disrespectful.

Let's think about it, Ahreum was said that she entered the group to help with Soyeon's burden on being the main vocalist, but we already have Boram and Qri there! Boram has an amazing voice, but her and Qri, single after single, are getting less and less lines.

About Dani, I mean, KKs added her just because he saw her on the street and couldn't stop thinking about her? COME ON!

My friend posted a while ago a very interesting post about T-ara's situation, I think it's worth reading:

Spoiler:

T-ara: The World’s Most Popular Slaves?

Things have definitely changed for T-ara ever since they debuted! Not only have they become one of the biggest groups in Korea (in popularity and size [now that they have recently grown to a 9-member girlgroup]), but they have also made a very popular career for themselves in Japan. I have definitely expressed my discontentment for some of their post-Breaking Heart decisions, but considering Funky Town wasn’t half as bad as Temptastic or John Travolta Wannabe I think that maybe this time they’re going to get it right for me.

What has been bothering me lately, however, is how openly enslaved they are by their record label. A long time ago, I remember when several of the original members tweeted ominous or sad statements that reflected their unhappiness towards their lifestyles, and back then I thought that maybe it was just an adjustment process to their busy schedules, but I doubt that greatly now. It seems like Core Contents Media, T-ara’s record label, is working the girls like slaves, and that they have little to no decision over the changes that are going on with the group. What really alarmed me were the statements that Kim Kwan Soo was coming out with to explain the changes in the group:

When I look back on my 30 years of experience in discovering new talent, by their third year they become full of themselves, and lazy. If they are not always on the edge of their seat and working hard, and think that they can just get by with what they already have, they will not be able to beat the competition. I have seen many singers become complacent because of their pride. For the members who have no singing ability and do not work hard, I will not give them parts [in the songs].

and of course, his lovely statement about the group dynamics:

If the members are lazy, or harmful to other members including the new members, we’ll make the bold decision to remove and replace them with new members.

Not only is he managing the group with an iron fist, but he’s doing it for no reason at all. His statements show no consideration for the fans at all, and his only concern is that the girls will grow too cocky to remain under his control as long as he wants them to. That is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard and it makes my heart ache for them and how they need to be managed by such a jerk.

In a post about this very matter, allkpop lays out some very interesting facts and possibilities about his behavior. Something very interesting to note is the inconsistency of the roles of the girls in each of the group’s songs. Initially, pretty much everyone but Qri got a decent amount of attention, but as time went on, the amount of attention each member got in songs and videos grew inconsistent and the group went from having several main vocalists to relying solely on SoYeon. Fans know that there are some pretty talented singers in the group other than SoYeon, such as EunJung and BoRam, and I always wondered why they weren’t getting as much attention as before, and it’s most likely because Kim Kwan Soo is treating them as children who need to be taught how to behave.

The most heartbreaking news are the ones where we learn that a member has been hospitalized or wounded due to exhaustion or overworking and they’re still being instructed to carry on with their schedules, once again, treating the fans like T-ara-hungry monsters who only want to see their idols, regardless of their health. Personally, I would much rather see my idols healthy and glowing every once in a while than broken and upset all the time, which is what I’ve been getting from T-ara. During promotional activities for Dream High 2, a frustrated JiYeon tweeted

In the drama, there are special laws protecting minors in the entertainment industry, and I wish those laws existed in reality.

JiYeon has also collapsed after a performance of Cry Cry, and had to be hospitalized, which exemplifies the degree of exhaustions the girls need to endure. EunJung sprained her ankle in January and was forced to continue performing with the use of painkillers and pressure bandages which consequently lead to her rupturing it. She wasn’t even allowed to recover entirely before having to retire the clutches and going back under the spotlight.

I can’t even imagine how depressed and hurt the girls are and having to put on a smile all this time. I remember all the blackmail Core Contents Media did with T-ara fans as they promised numerous events if T-ara’s latest releases sold a certain number of copies, the latest being the Jewelry Box fiasco. Core Contents Media announced that if T-ara’s debut Japanese album went on to sell over 500,000 copies, they would raise a guerilla concert in Japan and South Korea. However, the album only went on to sell 23,796 copies on its first day of release (usually the best-selling day for Asian albums, since pre-orders take up a large amount of sales due to all the pre-release promotion) and the events seem unlikely. In past guerilla events, everything had to be canceled considering the large mob of fans that crowed the place.

The latest proof of T-ara’s slavery is the fact that T-ara will be holding a fan-meeting event in order to celebrate the inauguration of their official fanclub, Queens, on the 14th of July. Initially, they were promoting it as a free event (probably a misunderstanding), until Core Contents Media started to collect a fee of 18 dollars from the fans who wanted to attend. They offered a refund, in order to keep the event free, as initially advertised, but the money is coming from T-ara’s own pockets.

So not only is T-ara being worked to their last sweat beads, but they can’t recover when they’re ill or injured and if they make a mistake, the money that’s going to compensate for that is coming straight from their pockets. Does it sound a lot like a certain ex-boyband you know, slavery, or what?

I wish T-ara would get a break. They don’t see their family members in months and I’m sure they can’t be happy with their current contracts and situations. I’m just waiting for something to happen so they can be let go by the record label. I’m not sure if they even want to continue in the entertainment industry at all anymore, so maybe signing with another label would be too much to ask, though an ideal scenario for them.

Soon they’ll be releasing their new music video, Day By Day, which looks quite promising! Now we just have to hope that they don’t need to cope with injuries and disasters throughout live performances and promotion. I think it’s important to watch out for them because they’re in a very delicate situation.

His blog: http://4lvy.wordpress.com/2012/06/28...opular-slaves/

Very sad this whole situation...