The largest Ayu fandom meltdowns~

[ImpactBreaker]

I think meltdowns started ever since the release of Greatful days.
During MY STORY, INSPIRE was the most targetted song. HONEY made people question ayu's maturity, back then, some intense old ayu lovers were already shifting their interests in music, so that probably contributed to some of the meltdown that happened back then. Also, kuu was starting to rise in JPOP, if I'm not mistaken.

With the title of a song called Lady Dynamite, if referenced to gay people, one can indeed expected a stereotyped video, which was what happened. Before the PV was released, though, I was expecting one of those women power videos like Real me or my name is WOMEN. The LD PV is (very) boring though.

nick at least didn't preach back then. I'm personally horrified with the people stalking ayu to preach

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

I think meltdowns started ever since the release of Greatful days.
During MY STORY, INSPIRE was the most targetted song. HONEY made people question ayu's maturity, back then, some intense old ayu lovers were already shifting their interests in music, so that probably contributed to some of the meltdown that happened back then. Also, kuu was starting to rise in JPOP, if I'm not mistaken.

With the title of a song called Lady Dynamite, if referenced to gay people, one can indeed expected a stereotyped video, which was what happened. Before the PV was released, though, I was expecting one of those women power videos like Real me or my name is WOMEN. The LD PV is (very) boring though.

nick at least didn't preach back then. I'm personally horrified with the people stalking ayu to preach

The song by itself isn't really about gay people, to the point it was the girl power performance during AT10...

And the PV, really, there are people who go to clubs like that... If I'm not wrong the pv was even recorded at a gay club of the gay district of Tokyo using the usual people who went there... Calling it a steriotype bothers me considering she was actually recording it on the actual place with the actual people who have that live style.

[November4]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

The song by itself isn't really about gay people, to the point it was the girl power performance during AT10...

And the PV, really, there are people who go to clubs like that... If I'm not wrong the pv was even recorded at a gay club of the gay district of Tokyo using the usual people who went there... Calling it a steriotype bothers me considering she was actually recording it on the actual place with the actual people who have that live style.

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That's not entirely true. That 2-chome club isn't always like that, obviously. Clubs with people like that usually have them on drugs and with dark rooms for sex. It's creepy. But yeah, it was recorded in the actual club, but with everyone in outfits and with the dancers. In fact, the drugs and orgy scene is why Japan banned "dancing" (I kid you not) and "dance-like movement" from all the gay clubs in that area. Maybe they should do the same rule in London, lol.

So in a sense it is actually stereotyping. Most gay clubs (and in 2-chome) aren't like that. You have to find specific, dark ones for leather parties like that, and even then she should've included sex all over the place in the videoclip. Instead we get a PG version of an AIDS infested area, lol.

Having said that I don't take the video serious lol, but just my 2 cents. :9 Ayu can have good intentions but be a bit stupid about how she does it lol (Lady Dynamite, feel the love, etc.)

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by November4

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That's not entirely true. That 2-chome club isn't always like that, obviously. Clubs with people like that usually have them on drugs and with dark rooms for sex. It's creepy. But yeah, it was recorded in the actual club, but with everyone in outfits and with the dancers. In fact, the drugs and orgy scene is why Japan banned "dancing" (I kid you not) and "dance-like movement" from all the gay clubs in that area. Maybe they should do the same rule in London, lol.

So in a sense it is actually stereotyping. Most gay clubs (and in 2-chome) aren't like that. You have to find specific, dark ones for leather parties like that, and even then she should've included sex all over the place in the videoclip. Instead we get a PG version of an AIDS infested area, lol.

Having said that I don't take the video serious lol, but just my 2 cents. :9 Ayu can have good intentions but be a bit stupid about how she does it lol (Lady Dynamite, feel the love, etc.)

Now you are the one stereotyping...

[November4]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

Now you are the one stereotyping...

Unfortunately I'm really not! You have no idea how high the rate of (undetectable) HIV-infected gay guys in sex clubs like that is, and those who don't have it take PREP to be able to have unprotected sex anyway. "Anti-drug rules" get avoided anyway by taking it with you in your underwear or whatever and then taking them quickly in closed rooms etc. and that shit can make you stop worrying about STDs and agree to do crap you'll regret later, hence the "dancing" ban Japan did on 2-chome.

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

So, unless she releases a PV about gay people exploring every kind of way gay people can live, she will be dealing with stereotypes, even if she is representing groups of people that actually exist.

Of course not. If she wanted to specifically show a leather-clad club (which is bad taste imo) she sorta got it, but to me it seems more like she wanted to make it clear it was a gay club so she dressed everyone up in leather and drag haha. Which is kinda stereotyping as the majority of gay clubs have people dressed normally but, again, I'm not bothered by it.
We all know Ayu has a fetish for leather (see: every concert of hers since 2005 lol) If I want to watch a PV that handles the subject in the opposite way I'll watch how beautiful you are.

Time for me to stop talking about the subject lol. It's just a videoclip with bad execution like Feel the love haha. ^^b Meltdowns in a topic about meltdowns, woo! (jk jk)

[ImpactBreaker]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

The song by itself isn't really about gay people, to the point it was the girl power performance during AT10...

And the PV, really, there are people who go to clubs like that... If I'm not wrong the pv was even recorded at a gay club of the gay district of Tokyo using the usual people who went there... Calling it a steriotype bothers me considering she was actually recording it on the actual place with the actual people who have that live style.

I know the song isn't about gay people. The PV is. And since the title of the song is Lady Dynamite, with a PV about gay people, I would expect something of the sorts. It's a stereotype because not all gay people love leather or party like that. The PV was meant to be fun, but the things that have in common are all as one, like a stereotype. Almost everyone is gay, almost everyone is in leather, almost everyone is partying. To me, that sort of defines a stereotype even though it probably was not intentional (or was).

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

I know the song isn't about gay people. The PV is. And since the title of the song is Lady Dynamite, with a PV about gay people, I would expect something of the sorts. It's a stereotype because not all gay people love leather or party like that. The PV was meant to be fun, but the things that have in common are all as one, like a stereotype. Almost everyone is gay, almost everyone is in leather, almost everyone is partying. To me, that sort of defines a stereotype even though it probably was not intentional (or was).

So, unless she releases a PV about gay people exploring every kind of way gay people can live, she will be dealing with stereotypes, even if she is representing groups of people that actually exist. I'm pretty sure people around here would be far more confortable with a pv filled with a bunch of straigh-like gay guys... But it's not like those take nearly as hard from society as those who actually have the same life style of those from the video...

And about the song lyrics, the lady dynamite from the title is Ayu herself telling people that promote hypocrital views society has to fuck off... Saying the song title makes clear the video would be stereotyping is like judging a book by it's cover.

[ImpactBreaker]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

So, unless she releases a PV about gay people exploring every kind of way gay people can live, she will be dealing with stereotypes, even if she is representing groups of people that actually exist. I'm pretty sure people around here would be far more confortable with a pv filled with a bunch of straigh-like gay guys... But it's not like those take nearly as hard from society as those who actually have the same life style of those from the video...

And about the song lyrics, the lady dynamite from the title is Ayu herself telling people that promote hypocrital views society has to fuck off... Saying the song title makes clear the video would be stereotyping is like judging a book by it's cover.

It's not because she takes focus over a particular crowd of people. It's how the video overfocus mainly on that theme: gay people, party and leather. Anything else may happen in the video but it absolutely has no relevance because the video direction does not lead you to pay attention to other details, maybe everyone else wasn't even in leather, I don't even remember, but what lingers in the end is leather=gay people=party. Even ayu loses her shine in the PV because the rest is too flashy. I don't care what she says in her lyrics, the PV says otherwise (from the lyrics) for the title doesn't matter if it's judging a book by the cover, maybe that was intentional like making something bittersweet for provoking? I'd bet on the easier route though: lousy PV with lousy direction. It's just like gay parades that are supposed to promote diversity but focus on showing steroid built shirtless men, a lot of colorful stuff, in a huge party with electronic music; at least the ones that happen here only reinforce stereotypes even though the goal is supposed to be the opposite.

[November4]

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That doesn't take away the fact that she looks uncomfortable. Plus the whole concept seems contrived. The "I'm a lonely queen" crap. She's always been singing about stuff like that, but in a more mature, better way. Proclaiming yourself as a "lonely party queen"... She never even was a party queen. How can you make an album around the idea of having a "fake party queen mask" when you don't have one? The album would've made more sense coming from Kumi or Namie. The covers just look like she's a prostitution queen, not a party queen. (No problem with slutty covers, I love Kuu, but just sayin' the concept was very poorly executed. IMO. Well, not even just imo; it was the general consensus...)

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

It's not because she takes focus over a particular crowd of people. It's how the video overfocus mainly on that theme: gay people, party and leather. Anything else may happen in the video but it absolutely has no relevance because the video direction does not lead you to pay attention to other details, maybe everyone else wasn't even in leather, I don't even remember, but what lingers in the end is leather=gay people=party. Even ayu loses her shine in the PV because the rest is too flashy. I don't care what she says in her lyrics, the PV says otherwise (from the lyrics) for the title doesn't matter if it's judging a book by the cover, maybe that was intentional like making something bittersweet for provoking? I'd bet on the easier route though: lousy PV with lousy direction. It's just like gay parades that are supposed to promote diversity but focus on showing steroid built shirtless men, a lot of colorful stuff, in a huge party with electronic music; at least the ones that happen here only reinforce stereotypes even though the goal is supposed to be the opposite.

+1000000

Perfect reply. *applauds* The gay prides here are terrible, too. They're like an ironic confirmation of the existing stereotype of gay guys. Those prides always irk me.

Actually what IS the song about anyway? The translations are terrible and make no sense to me.