[Utada Hikaru] Songs of Utada Hikaru | the 52nd thread

[Andrenekoi]

Lol, Utada sings about love quite a lot, and mostly romantic love, while someone must have a very limited view on what love is to believe Ayu is always singing about it.

Utada is an amazing songwriter, far better than Ayu, when we talk about text structure. She could easily be writing poetry. But her subjects are always on the boring side... IMO this is what make her great, actually, her ability to make mundane stuff sounds beautiful when she writes about them. Ayu on the other side is far less afraid of taking complicated subjects, but her approach is far more straightforward.

Now, we get it. You don't like Ayu anymore, your message is crystal clear. This doesn't mean it's cool to see you bringing this to every single thread of the forum and calling people names when they disagree with you. People are not dumb or "assholes" because they don't agree with whatever you think it's good or bad.

That being said, a world where Utada is producing music is a very good world, and I'm happy I will be on it again.

[orbitalaspect]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

Lol, Utada sings about love quite a lot, and mostly romantic love, while someone must have a very limited view on what love is to believe Ayu is always singing about it.

Um... Like I said, she writes about intimate love far more often than any other subject, even going as far back as Secret. I'm not sure why you're pretending there was no context to the "love" songs I refer to, but make sure you read things word-for-word before throwing your opinion into things?

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

Now, we get it. You don't like Ayu anymore, your message is crystal clear. This doesn't mean it's cool to see you bringing this to every single thread of the forum and calling people names when they disagree with you. People are not dumb or "assholes" because they don't agree with whatever you think it's good or bad.

Certainly didn't call anyone on this thread or any other thread "dumb". Certainly didn't call anyone on this thread an "asshole", and certainly not for disagreeing with me. I have not said anywhere that I don't like Ayu.

Look, I get that you don't like me. And I gotta be honest, I don't like you either. You think other people agreeing with you makes you more right, even if you're wrong in the details. And I attest to God you say things at times just to be a part of the popular opinion. If you've got opinions about me, what I say, and how I say it, you're free to dump your opinions on the table for all to see. No judgment here. However, making up shit is a different story.

You are welcome to search the entire AHS forum for every post I've made before charging me with "bringing this to every single thread of the forum." In fact, you can actually ask Koumori--one of two mods to toss out threads I've been in--exactly how many times I called anyone on this forum a name. I've called people's opinions or viewpoints stupid, dumb, or uninformed, but criticizing an opinion is not the same as criticizing a person's character. Opinions are choices, choices are debatable, and anything that's debatably good or bad comes down to being informed. And the only time I've ever been admonished for calling people names was when I joined a chorus of Maro-eats-grass-and-ass jokes.

The only times I have ever called someone an asshole, anywhere on this forum, are when groups of people deliberately gang up on another person for an opinion they don't like... kind of like you and a small group of other users who called another person's opinion "sexist" for criticizing Ayu's appearance in some of the La Perla photos. A few of us thought she looked like an AV model, and didn't think it tastefully reflected Ayu. Fair criticism for a pop singer who hasn't built her career on being a sex symbol. Rather than be the adult you think you exemplify, you contributed as much to that getting out of hand by dragging that into a roundtable talk on sexist opinions, as I did by calling you out. Your posts were trashed too, if you've forgot.

I get that, to you, criticism of someone's work or actions is no different than criticizing who they are as a person. Unfortunately, the rest of the world doesn't agree with you, and it's all because choices are debatable and identities are not. I can't debate the intelligence of your skin color or gender, but I can certainly debate the quality of a new song by the quality of an old one. If you've seen me posting this "in every single thread", shouldn't you be familiar with what I've posted? I don't know how you translate opinions like:

Originally Posted by orbitalaspect

I'm sorry to inject a complete change in direction, but it's just struck me over these last few days that I think Ayu ruined how beautiful you are with the lyrics. There's something highly memorable for me about the instrumental version, which I think fits very well among Ayu's other ballads, but the lyrics and singing are the parts that ruin it for me.

Anyway, I've fallen in love with the instrumental cut of the song, which I think was done quite well in contrast to the track with vocals.

Originally Posted by orbitalaspect

I'm sorry, but this is just a symptom of what I mentioned. I think Ayu needs to drop the yes-men around her, and get some people who aren't afraid to tell her that an idea isn't going to be a hit, or that she's putting too much attention on something that doesn't sound like the product of that much attention.

EDIT: Like The GIFT. The song sounds like it was written in 22 minutes, the production sounds like it was written in 10, and the PV looks like Ayu spent 6 days posing on a piano and in front of a window. That's just an example, but I think it's a really good example of Ayu pouring time and money into something that doesn't look or feel like it got that kind of time or money.

..into "I don't like Ayumi Hamasaki anymore." I know you don't tend to read things, more-so selectively skim them, but you need to get accurate with what you post about other people's activity. Like I said, you can not like me, but lying is only going to make you look bad.

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by orbitalaspect

Um... Like I said, she writes about intimate love far more often than any other subject, even going as far back as Secret. I'm not sure why you're pretending there was no context to the "love" songs I refer to, but make sure you read things word-for-word before throwing your opinion into things?

Certainly didn't call anyone on this thread or any other thread "dumb". Certainly didn't call anyone on this thread an "asshole", and certainly not for disagreeing with me. I have not said anywhere that I don't like Ayu.

Look, I get that you don't like me. And I gotta be honest, I don't like you either. You think other people agreeing with you makes you more right, even if you're wrong in the details. And I attest to God you say things at times just to be a part of the popular opinion. If you've got opinions about me, what I say, and how I say it, you're free to dump your opinions on the table for all to see. No judgment here. However, making up shit is a different story.

You are welcome to search the entire AHS forum for every post I've made before charging me with "bringing this to every single thread of the forum." In fact, you can actually ask Koumori--one of two mods to toss out threads I've been in--exactly how many times I called anyone on this forum a name. I've called people's opinions or viewpoints stupid, dumb, or uninformed, but criticizing an opinion is not the same as criticizing a person's character. Opinions are choices, choices are debatable, and anything that's debatably good or bad comes down to being informed. And the only time I've ever been admonished for calling people names was when I joined a chorus of Maro-eats-grass-and-ass jokes.

The only times I have ever called someone an asshole, anywhere on this forum, are when groups of people deliberately gang up on another person for an opinion they don't like... kind of like you and a small group of other users who called another person's opinion "sexist" for criticizing Ayu's appearance in some of the La Perla photos. A few of us thought she looked like an AV model, and didn't think it tastefully reflected Ayu. Fair criticism for a pop singer who hasn't built her career on being a sex symbol. Rather than be the adult you think you exemplify, you contributed as much to that getting out of hand by dragging that into a roundtable talk on sexist opinions, as I did by calling you out. Your posts were trashed too, if you've forgot.

I get that, to you, criticism of someone's work or actions is no different than criticizing who they are as a person. Unfortunately, the rest of the world doesn't agree with you, and it's all because choices are debatable and identities are not. I can't debate the intelligence of your skin color or gender, but I can certainly debate the quality of a new song by the quality of an old one. If you've seen me posting this "in every single thread", shouldn't you be familiar with what I've posted? I don't know how you translate opinions like:

..into "I don't like Ayumi Hamasaki anymore." I know you don't tend to read things, more-so selectively skim them, but you need to get accurate with what you post about other people's activity. Like I said, you can not like me, but lying is only going to make you look bad.

Oh darling, we are here to discuss about Hikki's comeback, not to hear you bitching about Ayu not being yout spiritual animal anymore or to watch you give a (rather nice) example of what projection is when calling people "uninformed".

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Hikki usually works years ahead of the market trends, and I'm really curious to see if she will do that this time again. I hope she had solved whatever issue she had with her voice during the streaming version of Wild Life... I was really worried about the health of her voice when I first watched it.