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[hidekirby]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

I think that sometimes there is no salvaging stuff and no amount of post production can help. I can vouch that she’s sounded amazing in Saitama in Feb last year and its obvious she’s doing something about her voice.

I don't know... As regards being offkey, I believe editing can do wonders. I don't remember which live it was (but an old one) and I compared both versions (edited/unedited), it was just day and night. Without her sounding robotic or over edited (like some later shows).
If they could have such results 20-10 years ago I have no doubt they can correct everything they want by now.

As I said the live version of Life really stands out (not in a good way) among all the other edited renditions of the last concert.

[summerain]

Originally Posted by hidekirby

I don't know... As regards being offkey, I believe editing can do wonders. I don't remember which live it was (but an old one) and I compared both versions (edited/unedited), it was just day and night. Without her sounding robotic or over edited (like some later shows).
If they could have such results 20-10 years ago I have no doubt they can correct everything they want by now.

As I said the live version of Life really stands out (not in a good way) among all the other edited renditions of the last concert.

I really think she sound good in Life. She's off-key during some parts, but most of the time it sounds good and stable to me.

[hidekirby]

Originally Posted by summerain

I really think she sound good in Life. She's off-key during some parts, but most of the time it sounds good and stable to me.

I think it's obviously been far worse in the past but she's still quite far from sounding good to me (in that particular performance). Too many offkey parts throughout the whole song. In that regard it's really contrasting with the edited versions of the other songs where (almost?) everything is on key and where she seems to hit every single note effortlessly.

That's what I mean when I say you can't really judge from prerecorded live versions. With ayu the difference between edited and unedited has been pretty noticeable. Above all when the source material wasn't great to begin with.

I would say she's still trying not to scream and have more control which is definitely a good thing to carry on. And we all heard good improvements with the last non-edited Promised Land. Hope it's going on like that. At least it shows she is really focusing on vocals these days.

[summerain]

Originally Posted by hidekirby

I think it's obviously been far worse in the past but she's still quite far from sounding good to me (in that particular performance). Too many offkey parts throughout the whole song. In that regard it's really contrasting with the edited versions of the other songs where (almost?) everything is on key and where she seems to hit every single note effortlessly.

That's what I mean when I say you can't really judge from prerecorded live versions. With ayu the difference between edited and unedited has been pretty noticeable. Above all when the source material wasn't great to begin with.

I would say she's still trying not to scream and have more control which is definitely a good thing to carry on. And we all heard good improvements with the last non-edited Promised Land. Hope it's going on like that. At least it shows she is really focusing on vocals these days.

Well, we have cases like that since I remember being a fan of her, specially during Countdown Lives (as we usually didn't have access to unedited Arena Tour recordings). I remember how different she sounded during Endless sorrow @ CDL 05-06, with a lot of editing to make her sound on-key at the DVD version.

My point is, considering all the circumstances and given her actual condition, I think she sounds as good as she can and she's not struggling or shouting a lot. Also, her singing difficulties aren't on her way to convey emotions during the performance (different from POA^3, when she was too disturbed, probably because she couldn't her herself properly). I'm personally satisfied with that, but I know it's subjective.

[hidekirby]

Originally Posted by summerain

Well, we have cases like that since I remember being a fan of her, specially during Countdown Lives (as we usually didn't have access to unedited Arena Tour recordings). I remember how different she sounded during Endless sorrow @ CDL 05-06, with a lot of editing to make her sound on-key at the DVD version.

Yes I know what you mean. I used to listen to the non edited live, if you compare it with the dvd you can really hear the work being done. And to be honest the source material wasn’t sooo bad. She sounded quite strong that CDL.

Originally Posted by summerain

My point is, considering all the circumstances and given her actual condition, I think she sounds as good as she can and she's not struggling or shouting a lot. Also, her singing difficulties aren't on her way to convey emotions during the performance (different from POA^3, when she was too disturbed, probably because she couldn't her herself properly). I'm personally satisfied with that, but I know it's subjective.

Of course, I agree on that ; )
(I remember she sounded quite sick that night during POA^3 recording or like she damaged her voice previously).

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by hidekirby

I don't know... As regards being offkey, I believe editing can do wonders. I don't remember which live it was (but an old one) and I compared both versions (edited/unedited), it was just day and night. Without her sounding robotic or over edited (like some later shows).
If they could have such results 20-10 years ago I have no doubt they can correct everything they want by now.

As I said the live version of Life really stands out (not in a good way) among all the other edited renditions of the last concert.

When she is releasing a concert with multiple dates, they can easily just edit the best vocal parts of each date to make her sound overall better. If it's a stand alone performance, there's not as much material to work with.

That being said, there's no amount of editing that can save absolutelly horrible vocais without it sounding robotic or over-edited. If she sounds decent post editing, the original sound needed to be somewhat good aswell.

[hidekirby]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

That being said, there's no amount of editing that can save absolutelly horrible vocais without it sounding robotic or over-edited. If she sounds decent post editing, the original sound needed to be somewhat good aswell.

What I just explained is that they can easily fix every offkey parts without it sounding too robotic (like the last lives for example). They've been doing this for ages.

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by hidekirby

What I just explained is that they can easily fix every offkey parts without it sounding too robotic (like the last lives for example). They've been doing this for ages.

It strikes me as very weird that you keep insisting on this. I’ve seen ayu live 11 times so far and she has never needed so much fixing. There were always particular songs where you knew she would scream or go off key, but that was it. Sometimes she sounds better and there are times she struggles, sometimes she is doing great.

[hidekirby]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

It strikes me as very weird that you keep insisting on this. I’ve seen ayu live 11 times so far and she has never needed so much fixing. There were always particular songs where you knew she would scream or go off key, but that was it. Sometimes she sounds better and there are times she struggles, sometimes she is doing great.

It also strikes me as very weird that you keep on misreading my posts and just drift from what I said and explained several times.
That is to say : editing can easily fix offkey parts.
I'm just basing my thought on every unedited live broadcasts I saw and compared them straight to their final release. That is my point and nothing else.
I've never debated the fact that she goes offkey a lot or sounds horrible most of the time here.

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

If she sounds too bad, there's just so much that can be done without it sounding robotic. If the recorded live was way too bad, something that did happen to her in the past, and the recorded release sounded decent and not robotic, they most likely got the audio, or parts of it, from another date.

If she has less dates to take audio from, it's harder to get good takes. She could just record the song on studio and use that to fix a really bad vocal aswell, but it will depend on how far she is willing to go for a less flawed result on the recorded release.

You may be right but to be honest I think it would be much more work having to pick up audio parts of other shows and mixing them together or rerecord, and trying to match the video (this part in itself is quite tricky)... I believe audio editing is way more "easier" and way more efficient than that. Especially as time goes on.
I think I could also easily tell that the corrected audio parts I compared back then were also pretty much the same as the original offkey ones. Not like they took it from another date or else. You could hear the same fluctuations, the same tone, accents, breaths or voice quality. Like even if it's the same song performed by the same artist in the same setup, some things are constantly changing and unique.

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by hidekirby

What I just explained is that they can easily fix every offkey parts without it sounding too robotic (like the last lives for example). They've been doing this for ages.

If she sounds too bad, there's just so much that can be done without it sounding robotic. If the recorded live was way too bad, something that did happen to her in the past, and the recorded release sounded decent and not robotic, they most likely got the audio, or parts of it, from another date.

If she has less dates to take audio from, it's harder to get good takes. She could just record the song on studio and use that to fix a really bad vocal aswell, but it will depend on how far she is willing to go for a less flawed result on the recorded release.