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#201
24th August 2006, 12:46 AM
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I do however not think there's "hardly anything unique" in morning musume's or ai otsuka's styles. Most japanese big artists (and not so big artists) have very unique styles, more so than US ones IMO. Morning musume is like the village people, campy style with a big dose of lolita ( where else in the world can you find anything like it?). Ai Otsuka is the down to earth fun girl with bohemian clothes. Ayumi has been in and out of virtually every style. Then there are the visual kei bands. Mai is artistically nude, sifow is the cool gal etc. I am pretty much aware that Koda has an image yet unseen in Japan, at least in such an extreme version, and the reasons you stated for her popularity among girls. It easy to see why, just take a look at ayumi's "girl pride" video My Name's Woman, in which she pulls off some sexy moves and puts the males to the ground. Sexy is a symbol of female liberty, high selfasteem and control. It's not to turn on the guys, but to show that women also can take the lead etc just like you wrote. It's how extreme it's done that may make some people react, and not see how this can promote female power rather than just being a "cheap" marketing image. Especially for those who are used to the western music scene. And please, everything we write on koda that may not sound like praise at the first time you read it isen't critique. Relax, there's no need to be rude. You aren't making more koda fans by defending her like this, if people like her music enough, they won't be superficial and dislike it because of a stupid video or her image. And if they do, it's their loss right? 
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24th August 2006, 08:06 AM
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^ If i misinterpreted your post then, it's a bad on my behalf...
I'm not trying to make Koda fans.. I'm defending my artist based on what other fans think of her... fair enough not everyone's gonna like her... but stupid posts such as: "Koda Kumi is a sl*t" "Koda Kumi is a wh*re" "Koda Kumi's only popular because she started wearing less/started acting ****ty"
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24th August 2006, 09:14 AM
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#205
24th August 2006, 09:16 AM
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When COME WITH ME was realesed her sales dropped badly, but when LOVE & HONEY came out she was...decent IMO
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24th August 2006, 09:16 AM
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Oh don't get me started, I can write a long ass reply to that...
if you're asking me to trust me I will do it... diagrams included!
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Last edited by Psychotic_X; 24th August 2006 at 09:20 AM.
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24th August 2006, 11:08 AM
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o_o;
Well, going by general appearances, it wasn't till 05 that avex even used her o_o; a-nations 02-04 barely included her. Oh well. I don't really need a long explanation that is probably mostly opinion :]
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24th August 2006, 02:56 PM
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you can't base it on that... 2005 was a good year for Kuu, her popularity boomed that's why...
more popularity = more demands from fans
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24th August 2006, 05:18 PM
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*sigh* i agree... man i might as well type an essay arguing every point that I've come across and I can just post it rather than typing it out 100 times...
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#211
24th August 2006, 05:34 PM
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Secondly, I really how no clue why you feel the need to defend her so much. I mean, do you ever see berryz koubou, c-ute or morning musume fans getting worked up in order to "prove" to people that what they listen too isen't only for kids, animé retards or people with a lolita complex. And that there's actually something to the music that might be good, not just the image? Same goes for fans of boybands such as KAT - TUN. A last note though, I can't really see how people of the west (not singapore and china) think she's shows a lot of skin and is VERY ****ty. It's mostly her moves that are "edgy", but still they are nothing we haven't seen before right? Compared to certain US and european (especially eastern european O.o) acts, she's not very "Slu-tty" at all. Perhaps people should take a look at their own music industry before complaining about koda. =P
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24th August 2006, 06:23 PM
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24th August 2006, 06:40 PM
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24th August 2006, 07:16 PM
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2) The cultural issue. ... And did you see Ayumi Hamasaki's "Beautiful Fighters" PV? or "Real Me"? or "my name's WOMEN" ? .. You don't have to be sexual to portray a message to make girls be confident... ... Laying down on a stage in front of thousands and letting some guy hump your rear-end or pretending to give him oral is being a good role model for girls? ... like... yeah... thats showing that you have to be like that for the guys to like ya.. 3) You getting sick of everyone around here calling Kumi Koda a sl**... -> well if you're so obsessed with Kumi Koda and sick of people on this AYUMI HAMASAKI message board critisizing her, then go frequent some Kumi Koda fanforum instead.. it's as easy as that. About the thing you said you're sick of, people saying "She only got famous cause she wore less, etc." ... didn't she say herself in that interview that in order to become more popular, the staff or whatever made her do the ero-kakkoi image? and then, magically, her popularity started to increase... coincidence?
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Last edited by evolution7931; 24th August 2006 at 07:20 PM.
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#216
24th August 2006, 07:44 PM
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1) I thought "Japan-only" = "J-pop singers"?
2) my name's WOMEN was a sexual-themed PV. 3) I guess Psychotic_X should really show his charts to you. But it's a fact that her sales didn't increase when she started with 'ero-kakkoii'. The sales started to go up like a year after she went with this style. Last edited by ayu_fan929; 24th August 2006 at 07:50 PM.
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#217
24th August 2006, 08:20 PM
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All of these posts seem to have very valid points. Compared to a some of Koda's sexually themed videos, Ayumi's aren't as direct nor are they as openly sexual, to put it that way. If you can't see the difference you must be blind. And if someone thinks it goes overboard and that's makes them "dislike" koda kumi as an artist, I can understand it. There's no reason trying to point out that "oh, but ayu or XX artist that you like also has "sexually themed PVs"", becuase he style really isen't the same.
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24th August 2006, 09:30 PM
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Yes, it has an exotic-dancer-place theme, but it's about a girl who is shunned by the men when she is nerdy looking and how shallow they are when they change their minds when she shows them that she can be like all the other ones. Now care to explain the theme of the shake it pv? specifically the part with the lesbian humping? And how about in D.D.D. when she is lying against the prison cell and all the men are feeling her up? Oh, how about the scene when she is in a prison cell and she literally puts her hand between her legs are wipes from one end to the other, right up in the camera? Sorry, people, for being graphic, but that's just how it is As for the charts. No they didn't increase immediately but wasn't that style change created for the GOAL of increasing popularity? And I didn't see no popularity increasing BEFORE that. Aside from like, 1 single...
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Last edited by evolution7931; 24th August 2006 at 09:42 PM.
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#219
24th August 2006, 10:42 PM
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All I'm saying is my name's WOMEN was a sexual-themed PV which counters the point "you don't have to be sexual to portray..." I'm not talking about the degree used.
Yes, 'ero-kakkoii' had a role in bringing her popularity up but I don't think her sales increase wasn't based on image solely. Her popularity didn't start to increase until the release of "Kiseki" ("Cutie Honey" doesn't really count since it was for an anime. Plus, "Chase" which was released after, didn't do too well) which would have been more than 1 year after the use. It wasn't really considered a success until the release of "secret" which would be 1.5 years after the use. Last edited by ayu_fan929; 24th August 2006 at 10:45 PM.
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24th August 2006, 11:13 PM
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Oh wait... i'm pretty sure there's something unique about that... Also KK's fans seem extremely defensive towards her, not saying that's a bad thing but you guys need to learn to chill a bit. Let people keep their opinions, no matter what you say it won't change public opinion, sure make a reply but don't bang on about the same points over and over, it doesn't help her image in any way, and yes, I too enjoy Koda's music and i do think her image is unique in the Jpop industry.
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 Thanks a lot to xLitax for the great set ^^ I retract my previous statement... Pommy's awesome! Bulmasman @ AHSforum.com Last edited by bulmasman; 24th August 2006 at 11:16 PM.
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