Ayumi's reputation in Japan - Page 2

microphone · #21 18th August 2011, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanzaki88

microphone, we're not saying anything about the "accusations" because they're obviously unfounded and pretty stupid. Had it been true that she was outright stealing from other artists, it would've been known. The folks who made/mixed her songs has been loaning a little here and there, but she's not been stealing songs.

It helps to say it, especially if the poster specifically asked for it. Koumori, I hope you're not implying that you have evidence. That would ruin my day...

waterballoon · #22 18th August 2011, 07:00 AM

I suppose Japanese celebrities have pretty "quiet" lives... or at least try to.

pommy48 · #23 18th August 2011, 07:07 AM

I remember there was this one website where it compared some of Ayu's lyrics with other singers' that were very similar to it...

But I just can't remember that website at all X_X I knew someone posted it somewhere here...

But to be honest, I wouldn't trust an anti or gossip articles...They're gossip for a reason lol

microphone · #24 18th August 2011, 07:14 AM

I'm interested in finding it. Thank you, pommy48, for answering my question. (Also to Andrenekoi, emiko and SURREAL RAINBOW. I hope you guys didn't take offense to my last couple posts.) I would hate to find agreement in an anti-fan's argument but if he (or she) has clear evidence then I have no choice.

emi♡ · #25 18th August 2011, 07:26 AM

No worries.

Honestly, I'd be interested to see it too, cause, while I know Ayu has used themes from Japanese culture which, probably goes back to poetry....but like I said, I've never actually heard about anyone in Japan giving her crap for it lol

And if there is...it's probably quite negligible. But, we'll see I guess.

***koumori*** · #26 18th August 2011, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by microphone

It helps to say it, especially if the poster specifically asked for it. Koumori, I hope you're not implying that you have evidence. That would ruin my day...

No, I was implying that your last comment hurt my feelings.

But like what Pommy said, the gossip columns are just gossip. Ayu's past her popularity prime for the time being in Japan, and is now looked as a legendary influence by fans, and a celebrity in her thirties who sings by people who don't really pay attention, and a stealing, horrible, plastic, deaf singer by the haters. Gossip magazines know this and put out columns that'll appeal to the most groups possible; both fans and haters will read negative stuff about her lol

pommy48 · #27 18th August 2011, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by microphone

I'm interested in finding it. Thank you, pommy48, for answering my question. (Also to Andrenekoi, emiko and SURREAL RAINBOW. I hope you guys didn't take offense to my last couple posts.) I would hate to find agreement in an anti-fan's argument but if he (or she) has clear evidence then I have no choice.

AH! I finally found the thread....after looking through 50+ pages

(But yay!

)
http://ahsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94783

But I wouldn't say that she copied these lyrics because these are just themes used regularly in our lives~

microphone · #28 18th August 2011, 07:58 AM

Very interesting, and thank you again.
Perhaps a fluent Japanese speaker can help identify common phrases. From a non-Japanese speaker's point-of-view, most of them are coincidences but the comparison of Dearest caught my attention.

Dearest
本当に大切なもの以外
すべて捨ててしまえたらいいのにね

other artist's lyrics
本当に大切なもの以外
すべて捨ててしまえたらいいのに

I'm thinking it's just a common phrase.
EDIT: There is no date mentioned for this comparison but if it's from Emi Tawata's album Love&Peace (2008) it would imply Emi was influenced by Dearest.

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Originally Posted by Koumori

No, I was implying that your last comment hurt my feelings.

But like what Pommy said, the gossip columns are just gossip. Ayu's past her popularity prime for the time being in Japan, and is now looked as a legendary influence by fans, and a celebrity in her thirties who sings by people who don't really pay attention, and a stealing, horrible, plastic, deaf singer by the haters. Gossip magazines know this and put out columns that'll appeal to the most groups possible; both fans and haters will read negative stuff about her lol

Clearly, there are careful readers on this forum so it was unfair of me to say that. I apologize. Please accept!! I bear gifts in the form of iPhone ringtones that may be useless to you but I will take the risk.

***koumori*** · #29 18th August 2011, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by microphone

Clearly, there are careful readers on this forum so it was unfair of me to say that. I apologize. Please accept!! I bear gifts in the form of iPhone ringtones that may be useless to you but I will take the risk.

I'm scared to click the link!

Someone else click it for me and check if it's safe!

But yeah, it's fine~ AHS is a big forum so a lot of different characters here lol

pommy48 · #30 18th August 2011, 08:03 AM

^ Oh no I got a virus!!!!

Lol j/k

It's just a regular thread!

Miidoriness · #31 18th August 2011, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by microphone

Very interesting, and thank you again.
Perhaps a fluent Japanese speaker can help identify common phrases. From a non-Japanese speaker's point-of-view, most of them are coincidences but the comparison of Dearest caught my attention.

Dearest
本当に大切なもの以外
すべて捨ててしまえたらいいのにね

other artist's lyrics
本当に大切なもの以外
すべて捨ててしまえたらいいのに
iPhone ringtones that may be useless to you but I will take the risk.

who's this "other artist's lyric"??? o.O

microphone · #32 18th August 2011, 08:16 AM

That information is not given. The only detail available is, "love&peace". It could be Emi Tawata's 2008 album "love&peace" but I'm not sure. It wouldn't make sense if the site owner's intent was to show-case Ayumi's influences.

pommy48 · #33 18th August 2011, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by microphone

That information is not given. The only detail available is, "love&peace". It could be Emi Tawata's 2008 album "love&peace" but I'm not sure. It wouldn't make sense if the site owner's intent was to show-case Ayumi's influences.

It's Ayumu Takahashi's book~
It was released February 2001

SURREAL__RAINBOW · #34 18th August 2011, 08:39 AM

No offense at all

I'm not that biased (anymore

) Which is a good thing lol

Though I like to stick to reality, her peak was super early in comparison to other artists, oh well, all artists have their own way to peak.

I'd love to see her peak again in the next 5 to 10 years actually, just look at Kylie Minogue, she's 42 I think and her last 2 albums have been amazing and attracted new young audiences a lot!

ayu in her 40s

I think she's gonna be a sexy woman then

Can't wait actually lol

**Yoake** · #35 18th August 2011, 10:40 AM

For copy things:

Everyone is influenced by previous artists they like. It's not only for Ayu. Look at the Renaissance. They clearly copy greek artist. But as they're different people from another time & another country, the things looks differents. So, you're always influenced by previous people. Not only one, but several. It's like that, with that bases, that you can create something new. Ayu created her own music her own style, it's why people say that her new songs always are similar to her old ones now. It's because there is her own essence in her song. Is it possible for another singer to be exactly the same that Ayu? Ayu is Ayu & nobody can be her! Each artist is unique!

For the : "oh she has the same dress that another western artist!!" OMG she copies her!" All people know that artists are the effigy of fashion. The most famous brands don't sell in one country but several & it's normal than their products are promoted by native people because they have influence!

Linoa62 · #36 18th August 2011, 12:46 PM

About her reputation in Japan right now...
A member of a French forum dedicated to Ayu on which I post went to one of Ayu's concerts this year, and here's what she said of her stay in Japan:

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"The Japanese I talked to only knew the songs from her peak.
They even think it's weird that she's still singing (some even thought that she retired already).
They all think that she's kawaii.
And they asked me how I knew Ayu & why I'm a fan of hers. It's surreal in their opinion to be an Ayu fan these days, so being a foreign fan!"

I already understood that she was quite "has-been" today in Japan, but seriously, think it's weird that she's still singing??? XD It's quite harsh to say IMO

YUKARI · #37 18th August 2011, 01:24 PM

^ it reminds me of Britney Spears. all my friends know her earlier stuff like Baby one more time and Oops! I did it again, but they can't name her new songs.

I think it's all OK, it happens for every big artist after the peak.

chu-lips · #38 18th August 2011, 01:41 PM

why do recently if ayu singin live in some music show
the audience just standin n staring n quiet without waving their uchiwa or else like when the other artists on the stage..
Just quite n standin frozen..

HilaryDuffFanboy · #39 18th August 2011, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jyujiw

Japan has a strong closed mind when we're talking about ages.
A 30 years woman it's OLD to them... it's a little bit crazy for our general standards, but, well, we're talking about a culture.

It's true, culture is different. If you are 30 and unmarried, you may as well give up.

**Yoake** · #40 18th August 2011, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Luna62

About her reputation in Japan right now...
A member of a French forum dedicated to Ayu on which I post went to one of Ayu's concerts this year, and here's what she said of her stay in Japan:

I already understood that she was quite "has-been" today in Japan, but seriously, think it's weird that she's still singing??? XD It's quite harsh to say IMO

O.O eh! Seriously? Although she's in the top 10 each time there is a new single or album? It's hard to believe!