How many rock-ish songs does ayu have?

What about WE WISH? It's kinda rock-ish.

[alternarist]

how about No way to say? Rock ballad?

[elepop]

Some of you have weird definitions for "rock"...!

[kotora]

Originally Posted by asongforXX

Some of you have weird definitions for "rock"...!

I agree...

[truehappiness]

That is a bit weird though. Why doesn't she use her band? :/

[truehappiness]

DANG.

I was just about to post these things. xD

SunshineSlayer beat me by like .. a minute xD



I think that it just depends on who is available in the studio and stuff.. or not? :\


She seems to either have the composers do it.. or the same guys as usual..

[Shingo Kobayashi is in her band too, right?]

Only track that has the entire band [I think] is ASFXX session030213.. :p

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

Only track that has the entire band [I think] is ASFXX session030213.. :p

Also Girlish and Memorial Address.

[truehappiness]

Ah~ really? :O That's cool! No wonder why they're so good. :] I hope she has another one.. ( a song / bonus that has all of them! )


I think that with the new album will come compositions like that to balance out the kinds that we already have~

[immel]

Lots of cool information and many things I never thought of, thanks.

[RebornLS]

From a opinionated music theory perspective:

Alot of the songs on the lists I have seen aren't rock to me. Alot of them have 5ths which is the dominant suffix in rock there for you could argue when 5ths are the dominant suffix in a song then the root note or instrument doesn't matter...it is rock.

To me it has to be loud and guitar driven. Humming and Because Of You are the only 2 I would claim to be rock.

Pop rock is more of an applicable term when desribing most of those songs.

As for Is This LOVE? being metal...i don't see it. Striaght fwd metal music theory is 5ths being the suffix and harmonies mostly being secondary dominant [3rds,5ths,and 7ths] the (majoiry being minor 3rds). A majority of Is This LOVE?'s guitar haromonies are octaves and even the production which can sometimes make a song metal is not. is smooth and in the slightest metal production is loud raunchy and one usual dominate instrument.

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by RebornLS

As for Is This LOVE? being metal...i don't see it. Striaght fwd metal music theory is 5ths being the suffix and harmonies mostly being secondary dominant [3rds,5ths,and 7ths] the (majoiry being minor 3rds). A majority of Is This LOVE?'s guitar haromonies are octaves and even the production which can sometimes make a song metal is not. is smooth and in the slightest metal production is loud raunchy and one usual dominate instrument.

No one ever said is this LOVE? is metal, they said close to or bordering on metal. Also, all this talk of 5ths and 8ths etc, doesn't really matter to me - what matters is the overall tone and feel of the song. Unless your definition of rock is only the hardest of hardcore rock, then she has certainly had more than 2 songs that would be considered rock.

[*Petit*]

Originally Posted by RebornLS

Pop rock is more of an applicable term when desribing most of those songs.

I think you're right about that.

And I think that "guitar driven" was very fitting term. It's what's makes the difference beween f.ex "dance" with a lot of (or some) guitars or rock.

Is what you described about the music theory from some kind of source? I'd be interested in reading that.

[RebornLS]

Originally Posted by *Petit*

I think you're right about that.

And I think that "guitar driven" was very fitting term. It's what's makes the difference beween f.ex "dance" with a lot of (or some) guitars or rock.

Is what you described about the music theory from some kind of source? I'd be interested in reading that.

No it isn't from a source it is my own conclusion i made a couple of years ago from independent studies.

Take for example the Jazz group THE BAD PLUS, when I was in Japan there was a display of them and the Ad said 'Loudest Piano Trio Ever..." I thought to myself, yea Ethan does play loud, I later saw an NPR broadcast where he basically said and denoted the 'loud piano' statement by saying. 'I use alot of 5ths which are usually associated with rock, out side of rock it is used in accentuations and driving passages.

Of course what I say is flawed [or exceptions are made] Take for example the Ayu song RAINBOW, which used TONS of 5ths but it isn't considered rock by my definitions.

I'll post a tab

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.ph...1638D30A2CA6AC

after it expires PM me or something

[SunshineSlayer]

I don't see why rock songs that are pop influenced are not really considered rock.(Ayu has several of these kinds of songs, most have been listed here) If that is the case, then the Beatles were never a rock band. U2 is not a rock band. Queen was never a rock band because their musical influence jumped all over the map. Electric Light Orchestra then isn't a rock band because they are heavily synth influenced. Any Aerosmith or GNR songs that were big radio hits are more pop songs than rock songs etc. etc.

If you think that only the most guitar crunching and loudest songs should be considered rock, then you have a very narrow definition of the genre.(and maybe mine is wider^_^) There are exceptions to every rule and Ayumi's music is definitely one of those.

[norain]

RebornLS you rock! These tabs are actually good compared to others I've seen...I wonder if it's possible to really play it, 'cause some tabs just have the songs all wierded out

[RebornLS]

Originally Posted by norain

RebornLS you rock! These tabs are actually good compared to others I've seen...I wonder if it's possible to really play it, 'cause some tabs just have the songs all wierded out

yea. I played it/imported/transcribed it. It is fairly easy. The only problem may be the speed of the chord changes.

Just for example bar your pointer finger on the highest fret. for example:



switching from the
1<---pointer finger
3<---ring finger
3<---ring finger
3<---ring finger
1<---pointer finger
-
to the
5<---pointer finger
6<---middle finger
5<---pointer finger
7<---ring finger
5<---pointer finger
-
the speed may be tricky for some.

Just bar you finger like this:
1
1
1
1
1
-
and then take you ring finger and bar it on the third fret like this:
-
3
3
3
-
-

when it is time to change lift the ring finger up and slide down to the 5th fret while holding down your pointer and lifting your ring and position in the air for it to land on the 7 and your middle to land on the 6.

I hope that helps.


"If that is the case, then the Beatles were never a rock band. U2 is not a rock band. Queen was never a rock band because their musical influence jumped all over the map."

On a sheet of paper yea, but the attitude and or production made them rock bands.

"I don't see why rock songs that are pop influenced are not really considered rock"

because it is a sub genre: pop-rock.

[*Petit*]

Hey, cool! Which program do you use? The one I use can only open the tab files on on computers with the same program -_- so it's very useful for transferring on the internet.

[RebornLS]

Originally Posted by *Petit*

Hey, cool! Which program do you use? The one I use can only open the tab files on on computers with the same program -_- so it's very useful for transferring on the internet.

powertab

www.power-tab.net

it is free and it is life altering. seriously...it is amazing.

[walking proud]

If guitar = rock, then TONS of Morning Musume.'s songs are "rock", and if you've ever heard their songs.. you'd think that was laughable.

[The_Swede]

My Ayu rock song list: (no remixes)

End of the World
SURREAL
Key ~eternal tie version~ (I class this as a rock-ish ballad)
girlish (Rock-pop)
I am...
UNITE!
evolution
NEVER EVER
still alone
Daybreak
Endless sorrow (original version)
Heartplace
Because of you
About You
GAME
Liar
Humming 7/4
is this LOVE?
alterna
(miss)understood
criminal
Startin' (rock-pop-ish)