I really dislike ayus recent music style...

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Originally Posted by hsienko

A couple things:

Fool, you don't need voices or instruments to make music. Crickets make music by rubbing their wings together, they use neither instruments or voices but wings.

Funny how you nitpick on small details that don't really mean the point where I was trying to get. Clapping can be used to make an arrangement, and that isn't an instrument, but I was not restricting my point to saying musical instruments as in piano, guitar, etc but any resource you use to producing a sound, be it a piano or a cricket orchestra, since you're into animal music. Also, chill out a little, I mean, no need to losing the temper over the internet

Originally Posted by hsienko

1. We were talking about the making of actual music not producing tracks because anyone can get a producer credit on an album it doesn't mean anything like how Max Matsuura is credited on every album.

huh? Producing in the way I'm mentioning is the process of making music. Maybe I used the wrong terms, but hey, I'm not writing a formal letter to a big authority here. I was obviously not referring to the other rest of production, like organizing release dates, CD manufacturing, planning on covers and video clips and advertisement and everything else. I was talking about the basic production of making a song as a whole, so let's not be taking this conversation another whole level.

Originally Posted by hsienko

2. You're over complicating what I said which was anyone can write lyrics to pre-recorded music whether I do it or Ayu does it doesn't change the fact that the backing music track was given to her and she didn't create it herself just like what I said before because you obviously didn't get it the first 3 times.

Again, you're repeating yourself over to which I already told that I know she doesn't arrange or compose most of her songs. But for the lyrics to fit, some alterations to the original backing track might be needed as well as she need to work closely with the composition in order for her lyrics to fit, meaning she's amking the song as well. And, yes, anyone can write lyrics, anyone can play a piano arrangement and anyone can make a composition - however whether those will have quality is what I'm trying to imply, and that demands work, inspiration, creativity and time wasted. So if you're working to make things flow well together, be it lyrics, composition or arrangement, you are in the process of making/ producing a song.

Originally Posted by hsienko

3. Dictionary definition: Musician - a person who plays or composes music, esp as a profession. Key words being composes and/or plays. Ayu is a lyricists: she writes lyrics. She neither plays an instrument or composes music so she's not a musician. She's a singer, a pop idol, but not a musician.

She has composed a few songs, anyway. I won't be wasting time to repeat the rest though.

Originally Posted by hsienko

Pffft.......like I'm really gonna waste my time on that pointless ******** since Ayu already did it when she took Tomoya Kinoshita's track and wrote lyrics for it and then recorded her self singing said lyrics over the music.

Funny, how you were saying that ANYONE can do that, and your example of anyone making lyrics to put into a song is actually...ayu, which was actually the opposite point you were trying to justify. ayu can connect her lyrics with songs, even to pre-existing ones, but she needs to closely work what she'll be writing along with the composition, so she does play an important part on how the arrangements, compositions and lyrics will build together to become a song, which has been my point all over. It's pretty easy to say: "anyone can do that!". That way I can go to youtube and look for "brain tumor excision", see the neurosurgeon cutting here and there and say: oh anyone can operate a brian tumor, just cut here and there. It's pretty simple to say you can do something. The process of doing it is another story.

I just won't be wasting my time on discussing this anymore, though.