taskinst vs. Don't tell me by Hoobastank

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by GRACE

Ayu's name is on the album, Ayu's name is listed as the artist when you put the CD into your computer, not tasuku. That's enough for some people. taskinist is a copy, it's a black mark that can't be ignored. Just because the band he copied from isn't popular and no one really cares about the music itself in the long run doesn't change the fact that he, as a composer, stole someone else's composition. It's a screw up that can't be swept under the rug and over looked, he copied, and I don't want to see him compose because of it. I'd feel the same way about any other composer doing the same thing, even CREA herself (god forbid).

Okay then?

Well, however you feel about it, it's not gonna stop Ayu from choosing his task-interludes / compositions in the future. So, you're gonna just have to deal.

[zoomzoom]

Originally Posted by GRACE

taskinist is a copy, it's a black mark that can't be ignored. Just because the band he copied from isn't popular and no one really cares about the music itself in the long run doesn't change the fact that he, as a composer, stole someone else's composition. It's a screw up that can't be swept under the rug and over looked, he copied, and I don't want to see him compose because of it. I'd feel the same way about any other composer doing the same thing, even CREA herself (god forbid).

It definitely says something about his integrity, that he as a composer, who doesn't even compose that often for her, stole someones composition. That's like a painter knocking off another painting and then claim it his or a writer copying a story and then claim it his. Come on, it's your job, how about doing it. He got payed for something he didn't compose, that just sucks.

[GRACE]

I'm just saying that I agree with zoomzoom, I was a little irked as well to see the "OMG HE'S BACK" comments, and also the "well, he copied off a no-name group so no one cares" =/ It may not seem like a big deal, but it really is =/...

Anyway, arranging is fine with me though, I just hope GREEN doesn't change too much XP I'm quite fond of it already~ But, if Ayu likes it so much, then I'm sure it'll be awesome, I hope it leaks out soon~

[Coelacanth]

Originally Posted by zoomzoom

It irked me a bit to see the complete "ZOMG YES HE'S BACK!!" attitude.

Well zoomzoom, I see what you're saying, but we're talking about the legendary tasuku here, generally known for his cutting-edge arrangements. People probably would have made a bigger deal if it was HAL that copied something, just because most fans are disappointed with their current work and would love to find a reason to hate them.

[truehappiness]

Well, the reason why people are like "YES HE'S BACK" is because he's an awesome arranger who brings something new to the table with his unique arrangements.

I mean, for the most part, AHS members probably don't know about the whole taskinst / Don't Tell Me issue and either have known about it somehow and don't care, or they're extremely blind so as to not see it because "Ayu doesn't copy." to them. Whatever the case is, it's obvious that this is being made a bigger deal of that it should be and in the long run, "boycotting" tasuku isn't going to do anything. Like, if someone didn't point out the whole relation between taskinst and Don't Tell Me on YouTube or whatever, would any of us be talking about it right now?

[YuriChan]

Originally Posted by GRACE

I'm just saying that I agree with zoomzoom, I was a little irked as well to see the "OMG HE'S BACK" comments, and also the "well, he copied off a no-name group so no one cares" =/ It may not seem like a big deal, but it really is =/...

Anyway, arranging is fine with me though, I just hope GREEN doesn't change too much XP I'm quite fond of it already~ But, if Ayu likes it so much, then I'm sure it'll be awesome, I hope it leaks out soon~

I've got two words for you and zoomzoom.. GROW UP! (the other two words are "Shut up")

Originally Posted by truehappiness

Well, the reason why people are like "YES HE'S BACK" is because he's an awesome arranger who brings something new to the table with his unique arrangements.

I mean, for the most part, AHS members probably don't know about the whole taskinst / Don't Tell Me issue and either have known about it somehow and don't care, or they're extremely blind so as to not see it because "Ayu doesn't copy." to them. Whatever the case is, it's obvious that this is being made a bigger deal of that it should be and in the long run, "boycotting" tasuku isn't going to do anything. Like, if someone didn't point out the whole relation between taskinst and Don't Tell Me on YouTube or whatever, would any of us be talking about it right now?

YAAAAAY!!

[zoomzoom]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

Like, if someone didn't point out the whole relation between taskinst and Don't Tell Me on YouTube or whatever, would any of us be talking about it right now?

That doesn't make it ok, then we just wouldn't know about it, so of course we wouldn't say anything. If any other song is a rip off, we don't say anything because we don't know.

Originally Posted by HONEY_INSPIRE_ME19

I've got two words for you and zoomzoom.. GROW UP! (the other two words are "Shut up")

I think you should direct that back at yourself.

[YuriChan]

Originally Posted by zoomzoom

I think you should direct that back at yourself.

I'm just tired of you complaining about something so small.. That's all.. Just get over it!! If it's not a big deal, then you shouldn't make it seem like it! >P

[GRACE]

...It doesn't change the fact that he copied whether we know it or not. It's a fact, he copied. He did something composers should never do, and I think it'd be stupid to let him compose again. It's an integrity and respect issue. He made a huge error, and it's not something that should be just ignored. Let him arrange all he wants, but don't let him compose.

[YuriChan]

Originally Posted by GRACE

...It doesn't change the fact that he copied whether we know it or not. It's a fact, he copied. He did something composers should never do, and I think it'd be stupid to let him compose again. It's an integrity and respect issue. He made a huge error, and it's not something that should be just ignored. Let him arrange all he wants, but don't let him compose.

People make mistakes.. Ok? Stop pointing out the mistake and move on!

[Coelacanth]

Originally Posted by GRACE

I'd feel the same way about any other composer doing the same thing, even CREA herself (god forbid).

Well, I hate to say it but CREA has been linked to stealing melodies as well. =/

The intro of Free & Easy "sampled" a song completely without any form of credit given.

There's even debate on 2ch and on many Japanese sites that Ayu steals phrases and lyrics from other lyricists.

It's bound to happen sometimes, whether intentional or not.

Just be thankful Ayu doesn't work with Korean producers. =X

[GRACE]

Originally Posted by HONEY_INSPIRE_ME19

People make mistakes.. Ok? Stop pointing out the mistake and move on!

I was his job to compose an interlude, and instead he copied someone else's song, and got paid for it. It's a huge deal, it's not a mistake, you can't "mistakenly" take someone's composition.

Like I said, let him arrange all he wants, but it'd be unfair to let him compose. What about the guy who composed what tasuku ripped off? How do you think he or she would feel if they knew their song was ripped off and billed as someone else's work. How would you feel if something you worked hard on was taken by someone else and had their name on it? It's just not right.

[ayumisrael]

ayu probably doesn't know herself that tasuku got his composition from another song >_<

Originally Posted by Coelacanth

Well, I hate to say it but CREA has been linked to stealing melodies as well. =/

The intro of Free & Easy "sampled" a song completely without any form of credit given.

There's even debate on 2ch and on many Japanese sites that Ayu steals phrases and lyrics from other lyricists.

It's bound to happen sometimes, whether intentional or not.

Just be thankful Ayu doesn't work with Korean producers. =X

If 2ch and such sites like it say that CREA stole anything then it must be a lie lol they hate her there like there's no tomorrow.

[zoomzoom]

^That was my original comment on tasuku. If she doesn't know, it's just horrible because she will be accused of ripping off, a person with no originality or creativity. It is in her name after all.

[YuriChan]

Originally Posted by GRACE

I was his job to compose an interlude, and instead he copied someone else's song, and got paid for it. It's a huge deal, it's not a mistake, you can't "mistakenly" take someone's composition.

Like I said, let him arrange all he wants, but it'd be unfair to let him compose. What about the guy who composed what tasuku ripped off? How do you think he or she would feel if they knew their song was ripped off and billed as someone else's work. How would you feel if something you worked hard on was taken by someone else and had their name on it? It's just not right.

Originally Posted by zoomzoom

^That was my original comment on tasuku. If she doesn't know, it's just horrible because she will be accused of ripping off, a person with no originality or creativity. It is in her name after all.

I understand where you're coming from... It's just that HE might of not known that it was someone else's compositions when he made it!! I also hate it when people start arguments and keep beating it.. The topic itself already died ages ago and yet, people keep beating a dead topic.. So please drop it.. D: I'm actually looking forward to GREEN.

[GRACE]

Originally Posted by zoomzoom

^That was my original comment on tasuku. If she doesn't know, it's just horrible because she will be accused of ripping off, a person with no originality or creativity. It is in her name after all.

Exactly my point. It's her name that gets hurt, not tasuku's. tasuku compose(read: rips off) for taskinist, get's paid, and then sits back because the release doesn't have his name on it, it has someone else's. Then it's Ayu who takes the fall for her composer.

[truehappiness]

If 2ch and such sites like it say that CREA stole anything then it must be a lie lol they hate her there like there's no tomorrow.

No, there's some semi-truth to what 2ch is saying.. not about lyrics, but melodies.

Apparently there's a classical piece of music that Free & Easy took from, and Will which is CREA+DAI isn't exactly "100%" original according to some..

Then it's Ayu who takes the fall for her composer.

Yes, Ayu's gonna take the fall for a release that came out almost 2 years ago that no one's really talking about [except for here and the YouTube video.] Face it, there's nothing that Ayu has to face because of this and there's no reason for you to say that Ayu is going to be "judged harshly" or anything of that sort because frankly, it's been two years. If something was going to have been done about it, it would've been done already.

EDIT: I just thought about something.. is it possible that tasuku and Hoobastank are both guilty of having taken the melody from elsewhere? It's farfetched, but it's possible..

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

No, there's some semi-truth to what 2ch is saying.. not about lyrics, but melodies.

Apparently there's a classical piece of music that Free & Easy took from, and Will which is CREA+DAI isn't exactly "100%" original according to some..

How users can know that CREA+DAI isn't really 100% CREA+DAI?
They must've been in the composing steps of the song =P lol

Unless if you meant that they claim that both of them stole something which makes it even more ridiculous.

[GRACE]

It still happened. What part of that does no one get? It happened, it's there, it doesn't go away, it doesn't disappear. Tasuku copied, tasuku sullied his name as a composer. It doesn't matter who you copy from, whether they're incredibly famous or they're no-names who no one cares about, the fact is: you copied. He took credit for someone else's effort, and let her put her name on it. Who's to say it won't happen again if she lets him compose again? I know we don't have a choice, and I know there's nothing we can do, but it's not something that can just be swept under the rug like nothing happened. It's a mark that will never go away, it's a mark that's shameful. If it became completely public, do you think tasuku would still have the reputation he has now? Do you think nothing would change =/?

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

How users can know that CREA+DAI isn't really 100% CREA+DAI?
They must've been in the composing steps of the song =P lol

Unless if you meant that they claim that both of them stole something which makes it even more ridiculous.

Well, some have stated that it stole the melody from an anime movie's BGM.

Originally Posted by GRACE

It still happened. What part of that does no one get? It happened, it's there, it doesn't go away, it doesn't disappear. Tasuku copied, tasuku sullied his name as a composer. It doesn't matter who you copy from, whether they're incredibly famous or they're no-names who no one cares about, the fact is: you copied. He took credit for someone else's effort, and let her put her name on it. Who's to say it won't happen again if she lets him compose again? I know we don't have a choice, and I know there's nothing we can do, but it's not something that can just be swept under the rug like nothing happened. It's a mark that will never go away, it's a mark that's shameful. If it became completely public, do you think tasuku would still have the reputation he has now? Do you think nothing would change =/?

Nothing will change. It's been public for a while now [well as public as public can get with AHS talking about it and a YouTube video.] and nothing's happened.

And tbh, for people to get in your face about it, you have to be as high-profile as Timbaland, which tasuku isn't even 1/10th as popular/well-known as..

But it's not something that can just be swept under the rug like nothing happened.

Yes, it is. You could just ignore it, you know. Just like people ignored the familiarity between Tetsuya Yukumi's walking proud and KinKi Kids' Angel, or like Ai Otsuka's -insert happy song here- compared to some video game BGM..