[2007] This really convinced me! Utada is THE best!

[truehappiness]

You have to remember that Hikki's mom was also like, one of the most famous singers in Japan until she married Hikki's dad.. :O

So it is most likely that Hikki probably got "help" from her mom vocally, whereas Ayu was just kind of like "yay I sing for fun, wait you want me to do music now?! o_o?!"

[ImpactBreaker]

Hikki's mom was very famous? I don't think she was that famous at all....

Anyway, wanna listen to japanese best vocals? Sorry but Hikki loses the spot easily to artists like Ayaka, Asuca hayashi and mink. Those three don't sound like they're having an asthma attack while singing, while Hikki....sorry Hikki, I love you even so.

[ImpactBreaker]

Hikki's mom was very famous? I don't think she was that famous at all....

Anyway, wanna listen to japanese best vocals? Sorry but Hikki loses the spot easily to artists like Ayaka, Asuca hayashi and mink. Those three don't sound like they're having an asthma attack while singing, while Hikki....sorry Hikki, I love you even so.

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

Hikki's mom was very famous? I don't think she was that famous at all....

Anyway, wanna listen to japanese best vocals? Sorry but Hikki loses the spot easily to artists like Ayaka, Asuca hayashi and mink. Those three don't sound like they're having an asthma attack while singing, while Hikki....sorry Hikki, I love you even so.

You do know that the news article about having no.1 and no.2 albums by a female solo artist at the same time on the Oricon album chart was "done again" by Ayu, right?

Well, 36 years ago, guess who the last artist was that achieved that?

Hikki's mom. Keiko Fuji.

Keiko Fuji (藤 圭子 Fuji Keiko), real name Junko Utada (宇多田純子 Utada Junko, Born July 5, 1951 in Iwate Prefecture, Japan), is an enka singer and actresss well known in Japan. She had success in the 1960s and 1970s with her ballad-type songs.

She is also the mother of one of the currently most popular female singers in Japan, Utada Hikaru, and is the wife of Teruzane Utada, a record producer.

All current gossip and rumours aside (see below), she is one of the most gifted singers ever to grace a microphone in her country Japan, and her voice is as important to the genre of Enka music (popular in the 1960s and 70s) as singer Tammy Wynette is to Country and Western music. Under-rated, under-appreciated, and now besmirched, still, no one can take away Fuji Keiko's immense talent and ability to move people's emotions with her voice. She is a far superiour singer than any other who has ever recorded in the Japanese language, including her formidable superstar daughter, who has clearly inherited her mother's talents.

BTW, Hikki has terrible stage presence. Like, Kaori Mochida of ELT can't really sing that well anymore, but hell, she puts on an amazing show

[ImpactBreaker]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

You do know that the news article about having no.1 and no.2 albums by a female solo artist at the same time on the Oricon album chart was "done again" by Ayu, right?

Well, 36 years ago, guess who the last artist was that achieved that?

Hikki's mom. Keiko Fuji.




BTW, Hikki has terrible stage presence. Like, Kaori Mochida of ELT can't really sing that well anymore, but hell, she puts on an amazing show

LOL the article you quoted says "underrated". I don't think an extremely popular artists would be ever called "underrated".

[Enfluerage]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

You do know that the news article about having no.1 and no.2 albums by a female solo artist at the same time on the Oricon album chart was "done again" by Ayu, right?

Well, 36 years ago, guess who the last artist was that achieved that?

Hikki's mom. Keiko Fuji.




BTW, Hikki has terrible stage presence. Like, Kaori Mochida of ELT can't really sing that well anymore, but hell, she puts on an amazing show

lol... That Wikipedia article was so badly written.

"She is a far superiour singer than any other who has ever recorded in the Japanese language, including her formidable superstar daughter"

- if Keiko Fuji was more popular, I'm sure that article would have been flagged by wiki's staff as being non-neutral. Not to mention the spelling mistake hahaha.

Even worse is the article that the wikipedia entry references... lol.. It claims Utada Hikaru sold 40 million albums in Japan
(the record holder for female artist is 29.3 million - Yuming)

But as for comparing Utada and Hamasaki Ayumi... I'd say that Utada Hikaru is an exceptionally talented music singer, songwriter and producer. Probably highly intelligent and above average singer...

The quote by truehappiness is funny but silly:

Originally Posted by truehappiness

"I don't think that you can compare anyone who sang "formally" [i.e Hikki, Hitomi Shimatani, and so on..] to Ayu.. since Ayu was simply picked up after being heard at a karaoke bar.."

- a fan of classical music would compare Hikki to Cecilia Bartoli, Sarah Brightman etc, and make the same statement you just did about Hikki.

In my opinion, Hamasaki Ayumi's is Japan's highest selling solo artist BECAUSE she wasn't some super talented music artist who went to opera school or had a rich music producer as her dad and an ex-superstar as her mum.

Instead, "She was picked up after being heard at a karaoke bar" ..... worked excessive hours and went to vocal training... - while always singing and writing from the heart..... and BECAME number 1.

Hikki is popular because of her talent and background.. Hamasaki Ayumi is even more popular because she deserves it more.

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by Enfluerage

lol... That Wikipedia article was so badly written.

"She is a far superiour singer than any other who has ever recorded in the Japanese language, including her formidable superstar daughter"

- if Keiko Fuji was more popular, I'm sure that article would have been flagged by wiki's staff as being non-neutral. Not to mention the spelling mistake hahaha.

Even worse is the article that the wikipedia entry references... lol.. It claims Utada Hikaru sold 40 million albums in Japan
(the record holder for female artist is 29.3 million - Yuming)

But as for comparing Utada and Hamasaki Ayumi... I'd say that Utada Hikaru is an exceptionally talented music singer, songwriter and producer. Probably highly intelligent and above average singer...

The quote by truehappiness is funny but silly:



- a fan of classical music would compare Hikki to Cecilia Bartoli, Sarah Brightman etc, and make the same statement you just did about Hikki.

In my opinion, Hamasaki Ayumi's is Japan's highest selling solo artist BECAUSE she wasn't some super talented music artist who went to opera school or had a rich music producer as her dad and an ex-superstar as her mum.

Instead, "She was picked up after being heard at a karaoke bar" ..... worked excessive hours and went to vocal training... - while always singing and writing from the heart..... and BECAME number 1.

Hikki is popular because of her talent and background.. Hamasaki Ayumi is even more popular because she deserves it more.

I love Ayu, but her beginnings came from being picked up at velfarre [a now closed avex dance club / karaoke place], where she was discovered by max matsuura. Then he wanted her to become a singer, so she got lessons or w/e and then she sent him letters and then that made max wonder if she could write her own lyrics.. then it just grew from there ~~

[xiaou-xijiang]

Originally Posted by Enfluerage

Hamasaki Ayumi is even more popular because she deserves it more.

In your own opinion, of course.

[Enfluerage]

Originally Posted by xiaou-xijiang

In your own opinion, of course.

hahaha =)

You're right of course, I should have written IMO in front (ie: that she deserves it). Because many people would disagree with that statement....

BUT I did start my conclusion with IMO (see my post again).

That being said, Hamasaki is the highest selling solo artist of all time in Japan and in terms of "Star Power" (ie: commercials, sales, media power, social influence etc - as Forbes would put it) ... I believe it is safe to say Hamasaki Ayumi is more "popular" than Utada.

Originally Posted by truehappiness

but her beginnings came from being picked up at velfarre [a now closed avex dance club / karaoke place], where she was discovered by max matsuura. Then he wanted her to become a singer, so she got lessons or w/e and then she sent him letters and then that made max wonder if she could write her own lyrics

why does it matter how she was discovered or what her origins were? Many successful people flunked school, were orphans or were illiterate. How is this any different to singers?

For example, I used to like Andrea Bocelli... And yet, even he was criticized by classical purists for not singing (as you put it)... "formally"

Or put it another way... If Koda Kumi were to suddenly dress up in Chanel evening gowns and hire a classical orchestra... Would her singing skill be any different (assuming she didn't go to vocal training etc)? Of course not!

And yet, there would be many people who think so, due to her shift into a different "cultural role" in society.

[kirei_ayumi]

ah~ my favorite song from hikki! she ended that beautifully

[*Petit*]

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

Hikki
Anyway, wanna listen to japanese best vocals? Sorry but Hikki loses the spot easily to artists like Ayaka, o.

ayaka had about as much formal training as ayumi had before she debuted. Technically she's not better than utada.

Technique is one thing, another, and more important thing (to me and most it seems), is voice quality, and ayumi is my favourite in that departement. However recently, like the evolution live in some show recently, her singing comes off as screaming to me which was HORRENDEOUS beyond words. I actually like this performances better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdPlqm-9YQA, she's never off the melody like in some of the lives she did for LOVEppears. Probably because her ear was still fine.

this is my personal taste though, I like female voices better the higher pitched they are, which is why I also enjoy yhe voice of artists like aya matsuura, masami okui, megumi hayashibara and even W. I absolutely do not like female voices that almost sound like male ones >_<, but luckily there hardly are any in japanese music.

[Beauty4123]

personally, i wouldn't really say that utada is THE best singer. in reality, no one can be THE best singer, cuz all artists have different voices and styles in music, which make them unique. utada was my first jpop artist, but now i don't really have that much interest in her. i loved her older music than what she's released now. but she does have a voice, and she can sing. i just wouldn't really call her the best, cuz there's other singers out there who can have much better voices then her. and that goes for every artist, really.

[..:Hot:Like:Wow:..]

forget the voice, I was blown away by the stage, it looks so beautiful. Ayu's concert stages look like there just made up of cheap crappy props.

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by Kingofpop

forget the voice, I was blown away by the stage, it looks so beautiful. Ayu's concert stages look like there just made up of cheap crappy props.

Hikki had one of the greatest minds of photography / directing at her disposal..

Her ex-husband, Kazuaki Kiriya. Hikki's previous concerts are nothing compared to the UTADA UNITED one, mostly because she didn't have one of the best people in the business to ever direct promotional videos at her side..

Ayu directs everything, while Hikki probably just chose some outfits and the setlists, while leaving the rest to her husband. There's also the fact that Hikki basically had NOTHING but her band and outfits. I wouldn't want Ayu to simply just stand there/walk around the stage, and I wouldn't want the screens on the ground / huge screen behind to compromise her activity on stage

[Huaka]

I think the special effects used for the performance were better than her actual singing. She seems to be having a hard time singing the faster parts of the song and her voice gets very strained. I was very disappointed by her vocal performance in this song when I first saw it because this was probably my only liked song off her Exodus album. I like the background effects though, that's what probably makes the whole performance seem so great.

[the angel song]

lol I guess I'm the only one who hates this performance. Her voice was all over the place...and I was like "are you still going to sing??" towards the end. I don't know if I'd rather hear ayu sing "fairyland" offkey or listen to the crazy vibrato...! There's other performances of hikki's that does it for me where I fall in love with her all over again <3! But not this one lmao </3.

And I think comparing ayu and hikki will never end...:/ But I agree they have nothing in common in terms of music.

[truehappiness]

Fuji Keiko (藤圭子) was an extremely famous Japanese Enka singer in the 70's. She is the wife of Utada Teruzane and the mother of Utada Hikaru. Her maiden name was 'Abe Junko'. Keiko was the main vocalist for the U3 Utada family project.

Keiko was born on 1951.07.05 at Iwate, and grew up in Hokkaido. Her father (Abe Souji) was a roukyoku singer and her mother played the shamisen for a living. Keiko had an upheaveled childhood, as her family toured around Hokkaido and Tohoku (much like her daughter, Utada Hikaru).

Once when her father became sick before a Hokkaidou show, Keiko decided that she would have to play the part instead. While there, a well known writer happened to hear her and suggested that she should move to Tokyo to become a singer. In September 1969, Keiko debuted with the song Shinjuku no Onna, which was a huge hit. Her next two singles, Onna no Blues and Keiko no Yume wa Yoru Hiraku also were major hits, making her extremely famous. These two songs held first and second position in Oricon charts for 40 weeks, the first and only time in Japanese music history.

After 10 years in the music business, Keiko decided to quit the music business and move to New York. There, she met Utada Tezurane, and in 1983 gave birth to an only child, Utada Hikaru. Though Tezurane and Keiko had divorced each other at one point, currently they are remarried (as of mid 2005).

Wow, Hikki's parents are OLLD.


The wikipedia entry probably says that because she's not as big a name now as she was 30-40 years ago..

[whereas Yuming, Akina Nakamori, and Seiko are all still somewhat present in Japan right now..]

[Kikaru]

First of all, I think Hikki lacks a stage presence. The stage takes over instead of her taking over the stage, and the background, pretty as it is, just overwhelms her presence. But that might be just me.

I'm not fond of this performance because I think she sounds extremely strained when she's trying to hit the higher notes (she's an alto, through and through), she kind of has trouble breathing, which is just downright distracting, and the effect in the background music overwhelmed her voice, and the song doesn't really show off her voice because she's obviously not that comfortable with that range.

But not to sound like a butthead, do you have to bring up Ayu vs. Hikki? Why saying if she's the best vocalist, only Ayu was mentioned? their voice is completely different, they sing completely different stuff (no seriously, if Hikki tries to sing an Ayu song, I don't think the result would be that pretty).

But to be honest, I have not find the perfect vocalist yet. Sure, Celine Dione has great techniques, but I always thought she lacks flavor in her songs.

I just wish Hikki could go back to release r&b.

[Ayumiko]

I find it funny and interesting that 36 years ago, it was utadas mom that achieved the #1 and #2 album ranks.I dont know how popular her mom was back then but you gotta have some kind of popularity to have both albums top the chart at the same time.

[Kodayumi]

In my opinion, Ayaka has a powerful voice.

love ayu more