Ayu different on stage??

[Melrose]

@Ayumi_lover: Lol there's a difference between singing in the same way and the vocals being a copy.

@alternarist: And telling me to shut up isn't rude? :')

Okay, you know what I'm just going to make a comparison file myself because truehap doesnt want to show something that proves ayu lip synched. :3

Edit: Yay, here is the file. ^^

[MEDIAFIRE CLICK HERE] evolution comparison CDL07-08 (TV VERSION) / AT07

owned XD (proves I was right :3)

[Neo Daydream]

OK. Ayu has lipsynced at some point in here career.
can we just leave it at that?

anyway, i don't know, i just see in her face alot that she is trying harder than she used to have to.

suicide? I thought her friend died from lukemia or something?? she had been sick for a while or something...

[maikaru]

Originally Posted by Melrose

If they after listening to the clip still believe that it's not lip synched, imo they don't have it all together. :3 (Excluding you of course, as imo you disagree to disagree which is more understandable )

Well, I can't really tell which one is which, but I can say neither of them are the original recording, and they both sound different. the first one, the mono~ part is a little off tune. just a little.
And its only that one of them is mixed better than the other.
But I believe they both sound like a real performance. You can hear some of noises she makes in the microphone when she sings, kind of husky kind of sound, in both

if the second one is countdown live 2007 - 2008 there's no way she could lipsync.
If she did, she should have chosen a better recording, because there's many places without the correct pitch.

Also it's better if you compare tv version to tv version, cause tv version to dvd version is not really fair..
they always touch up vocal for dvd version, like already said,
Especially count down 2007/08. Ladies night sounds good in dvd, but tv.. ahaha.

anyways, you decide for yourself I guess. No one knows the truth.

[Ayumi_lover]

Originally Posted by Melrose

Now be a man and listen to my clip that proves I'm right :3 (<- lol had to say that because we're all using "be a man" a lot)

she is singing in same maner, and she's having a good vocal. are you saying that it is the same? well... for me - no. First parts sounds really similar, but when it came near to Wow yeah you can hear different notes in her voice. Anyway of couse it sounds pretty similar, as for me, because of manner of singin this. I don't really understand how you think that this song must sound different all the times she performing it? earliar perfomances sounds different but the last ones must be pretty similar, except of acoustic of course. it's not prooving that this is lypsyncingcoz it sounds a bit different as for me.
This theme is endless coz i can always say that she never sung live and only prerecorded tracks wis all noises, falling, forgetting lyrics, laughing, crying etc.

[Melrose]

@maikaru: ^^ The less loud one is CDL07-08 (the second one). The louder/clearer one is the DVD version of AT07. I chose the DVD version for that one, to show how they are the same, which means Ayu used a pre-recorded version for CDL07-08...I think. At least she did for some perf. :3 Let's see.. CDL07-08 TV version came out before AT07 DVD, but who knows when they remixed audio for AT07. Hmm, I'm listening to CDL06-07 now and it sounds the same too...The TV version. ~_~ Which means that CDL07-08 was lip synch and they used the same audio track for the AT07 DVD. ..And that means..the audio for that live version was done before CDL06-07 or comes from CDL06-07 (which I doubt a bit considering her live vocals in until that Day... are all over the place, while they aren't in evolution, which has even more choreography..). Owkaay... Lazy avex trax. >_>

@Ayumi_love: actually I wasnt directing that at you <3 ^^

Edit: Checked out AT06 and that's live (the difference is really easy to tell). So I'm guessing the lip synch version was somewhere recorded after AT06..

Edit @ ^'s new edit (lol): Naah..It's really the same audio. Check out AT06 or some old CDL or AT08 to hear her sing the song live (and even polished up that sounds more live). But hey that's what you think and that's fine with me. ^^ She needs time to breathe when she sings the song really live. And AT06 doesnt even have much choreography.

[Ayumi_lover]

Originally Posted by Melrose

@Ayumi_love: actually I wasnt directing that at you <3 ^^

i know, but i wanted to listen to your arguments. Agree that it's useless argue. I respect our thoughts coz it could be lypsynch, but all Ayu perfomances also could be lypsynch(not all of course).
As for me t was live
As for you it was lypsynch
As for Ayu ... who knows
As for avex it was good show

I still belive that it was live. some tv perfomances wasn't live as for me....
so lets stop this and better talk about how she changed on stage(as it is subject title)

PS I'm Ayumi_lover

[Melrose]

^

haha you're cute..<3

Spoiler:

(just checked out your gender after writing that and dont feel like removing the hearts so forgive me for using that to a male person =p)

yea I respect your opinion too of course ^^

and woops you're right o.o I forgot the r, sorry XD

[SolarAngel]

Originally Posted by Melrose

@maikaru: ^^ The less loud one is CDL07-08 (the second one). The louder/clearer one is the DVD version of AT07. I chose the DVD version for that one, to show how they are the same, which means Ayu used a pre-recorded version for CDL07-08...I think. At least she did for some perf. :3 Let's see.. CDL07-08 TV version came out before AT07 DVD, but who knows when they remixed audio for AT07. Hmm, I'm listening to CDL06-07 now and it sounds the same too...The TV version. ~_~ Which means that CDL07-08 was lip synch and they used the same audio track for the AT07 DVD. ..And that means..the audio for that live version was done before CDL06-07 or comes from CDL06-07 (which I doubt a bit considering her live vocals in until that Day... are all over the place, while they aren't in evolution, which has even more choreography..). Owkaay... Lazy avex trax. >_>

I actually had a bona fide headache after reading this. The second one (CDL07-08?) sounded almost perpetually flat whereas the DVD version of AT07 sounds like recorded quality. Do you mean the backing track used for CDL07-08 was the recording used for AT07? But CDL07-08 was definitely live. I mean, it was FLAT. Thanks for the audio though. It was really interesting.

CDL06-07 sounded more high-pitched and artificial than those two, that's why i'm almost convinced THAT was lip-synched. And like you said, after that, audience seemed out of breath but i thought until that Day was well done.

So far, one of my favourite evolution performance of ayu was AT05. That sounded pitch-perfect but like everyone would say, the sound was probably cleaned up.

[maikaru]

Originally Posted by Melrose

@maikaru: ^^ The less loud one is CDL07-08 (the second one). The louder/clearer one is the DVD version of AT07. I chose the DVD version for that one, to show how they are the same, which means Ayu used a pre-recorded version for CDL07-08...I think. At least she did for some perf. :3 Let's see.. CDL07-08 TV version came out before AT07 DVD, but who knows when they remixed audio for AT07. Hmm, I'm listening to CDL06-07 now and it sounds the same too...The TV version. ~_~ Which means that CDL07-08 was lip synch and they used the same audio track for the AT07 DVD. ..And that means..the audio for that live version was done before CDL06-07 or comes from CDL06-07 (which I doubt a bit considering her live vocals in until that Day... are all over the place, while they aren't in evolution, which has even more choreography..). Owkaay... Lazy avex trax.

Edit: Checked out AT06 and that's live (the difference is really easy to tell). So I'm guessing the lip synch version was somewhere recorded after AT06..

Edit @ ^'s new edit (lol): Naah..It's really the same audio. Check out AT06 or some old CDL or AT08 to hear her sing the song live (and even polished up that sounds more live). But hey that's what you think and that's fine with me. ^^ She needs time to breathe when she sings the song really live. And AT06 doesnt even have much choreography.

In Countdown 2006, evolution is a song after free & easy, okay the song wasn't that good, but also evolution wasnt so great either.

but anyways, in the file you posted, the 2007 - 2008 does sound different.
Like not sound quality or whatever, but the wow yeah, wow yeah, wow YEAHHH is really different.
You have to pick her voice out from peco and whatever the other one is called, and you can really tell she is going offff pitch on the YEAHHH.
And then the chorus after the YEAHHH sounds really different, in CD 07, it sounds like she became soo lazy without energy, while slurring her words.
You could clearly hear the words in AT07, but then in Countdown, not so much. I couldn't understand some of hers.

Also, she had to have sung the first part of Countdown one, at least, because if it sounds the same as AT07, and if we are just saying she lipsynced, then remember AT 07 had the REALLLY different opening.

Maybe you should compare evolution beginning to another real evolution beginning, because it's hard to say she copied from AT 07 because of that one intro.

[Melrose]

^

Only like reaally little parts sound different though. Almost eeeverything else (the way she sings kute and raaaaah) is identical in such a way that is more the same than just singing in the same style. Like, every little breathe is the same. The little things mentioned sound more like a bad quality. I checked out the part after the chorus, and actually I did hear it clearer in one than the other, but that turned out to be mostly just the quality. :S

You have a good point on that the AT07 version has a different beginning though, so it couldn't be copied from that. Which brings me back to my point of how CDL06-07 is the same too. Also compare the bridge. Like you said, that's better to compare. It's EXACTLY the same in AT07, CDL07-08 and CDL06-07. Really high pitched, unlike her live voice. Then compare that to any evolution live version that is definitely live. Like CDL05-06 or Arena Tour 2006. Those sound all different and live, while the AT07 CDL07-08 and CDL06-07 are awkwardly high pitches and just weird sounding, and this can't be said to be just because of the DVD remixing, because I'm checking out the TV version. IMO, she combines live with lip synching.

Also I really dont hear a difference in CDL 0708 / AT07 like you said. I'm going to listen to the wow wow yea yea part on loop now. 1 sec...... No it's definitely the same. Especially the "yieeeeeh" part. Also the "mo mo mo yea yeaaaahe".

CDL06-07 like Solar said does sound more high pitched. I think after that they changed it around a bit into the CDL07-08/AT07 version, but there's definitely SOMETHING going on there. I don't think anyone can claim they're all three live performances, and just happen to sound 95% the same (to me 100%..), while alllll the other evolutions have much more differences between eachother -and- a different sound. :> (Lol for debates!)

If you think about it. Well, if I think about it and assuming I'm right, it is actually logical. [Read: "assuming" I'm right] CDL06-07 and AT07 have big choreography for evolution, and are then lip synched for the sake of having proper vocals. Perhaps she sings a small back vocal somewhere. Then CDL07-08, she has trouble with her voice as heard prominently throughout the concert. They decide to have her lip synch to save energy for other songs. In AT06, however, she has a lot of energy unlike CDL07-08 and no freaky choreography with a high kick, unlike CDL06-07/AT07, so she doesn't lip synch that. CDL05-06 hasn't got such choreography either, and is live. I don't know about the stuff before that, though.

[Jeremy911]

Older conderct's had less Rockish songs... Newer Ones have more Rockish songs. Hense the more aggresive tone of her concerts.

[maikaru]

I was watching the music fair 2007 performance of evolution.
I thought it was really similar, in where she stopped in the chorus for breath, in the pitch.
I think she just has developed a certain way to sing that song, and maybe uses a backing track in the most important choruses and most hardest parts, to give more fluid vocals

I could definitely hear the flat YEAHH. It's really hard to hear.
But it's really possible that she had backing vocals for that chorus, like her own voice playing with her. In the Countdown live 2007 - 2008, as said before, the second chorus sounds really bad. =( so she might have only lipsynced or used backing vocal in that place.

But as said before by SolarAngel said before, Countdown 2007 - 2008 evolution was DEFINITELYY~~ flat and pitched in a lot of places. I guess cause I were taking music lessons that it's really obvious to me, and other people who do the same. And again, the actual words of second chorus in countdown 07/08 is sooo slurred in the beginning. I had to try hard to see if she was making lyric mistake, like Countdown 2005 - 2006. ahaha. I really liked that mistake, because peco and other girl was still singing the right lyrics~~

evolution is a popular song, so I won't be surprised that she lipsynced some performances of it, but disappointed.
If anything, she should lipsync the songs before it, and then sing it live. =( it means more. ahaha

But yeah~ I think she has become more mature in her performance.
I don't think Dome Tour 2001 Ayumi could imagine dancing really sexyly in those cages and singing about needing only 1 love and things. ahaha.

EDIT:~ I often imagined that they made her lipsync without her knowledge. LOL. Like, she thinks she is singing, and in her monitor, she is singing, but because she might have sound sooo bad before, they decided "we can't afford evolution to sound bad!!!" so they switch out. LOL. obviously, it's not really real, but it's fun and funny to think about. LOL "Wow I sound so good!!~~ cool I improved in so short time." ahaha.

[Ayumi_lover]

^ she used her back-vocal in 1999-2002 ans as for me it's better than Peco&Princess)
Now will check CDL06-07(TV Version) for evolution to answer

[Ayumi_lover]

^^ the vocal in evolution not really different from the whole concert vocals
also beginigs of evolutions from CDL06-07 and CDL07-08 are slightly different. Her voice is pretty similar in bot tracks, but i can hear some differences, ecpecially in the end of "wow wow wow yeeeh"
Maybe it's only my wish to prove that Ayu not lypsynching? Maybe. But it's not took like lypsynch as for me. After all her tours etc. he singing this song in same maner, and often even breathing is same. It's like when you're doing in gym for 10 years. Making same excersices exactly the same. Like proffesional vocalist as for me she can sing first with voice like in "talkin'2 myself" and then like "step you".

PS In CDL06-07 i thought that it was lypsynched while was watching DVD version, it's really bad edited as for me, but when i watched TV version it looked pretty live as for me

[Melrose]

I think she just has developed a certain way to sing that song

In AT08 it's entirely different again, though. It's like either it's REALLY different or REALLY the same and that's kinda inconsistant. If you can come up with an explanation for that then that'd be great. :X

Countdown 2007 - 2008 evolution was DEFINITELYY~~ flat and pitched in a lot of places.

Hmm. There is a difference there, but I don't know if that's because it's a different version of the lip synching or because she's singing along a track, or because of PECO/Princess. But it's not a live-singing difference imo.

obviously, it's not really real, but it's fun and funny to think about. LOL "Wow I sound so good!!~~ cool I improved in so short time." ahaha.

LOL

it's really bad edited as for me

Yea, avex is retarded when it comes to editing. *points at until that Day's bridge from AT07 with Ayu sounding like a plastic barbie doll*

Okay, I have the new comparison file. It compares the bridge + a small part of the chorus. It goes like this:

Three lip synched versions > short pause > 4/5 live versions > short pause >>>> next fragment (repeat)

[MEDIAFIRE] DOWNLOAD COMPARISON

So you can compare her lip synched voice with the live voice, also the live voices have MUCH bigger differences between them than the lip synched versions. Also, she doesn't yell COME ON! with versions that were lip synched imo, while she does with all the others. :3 All CDLs are TV versions. The three lip synched versions are of course AT07, CDL07-08 and CDL06-07 but I forgot in what order.

As you can hear in the file the lip synched versions are 99% the same and sound really different in voice too from the live versions, and the live versions between eachother do have some big differences. :3

[emi♡]

omg the lipsynching convo + avex dvd edits + tv versions...whatever has been done to death...that's like, soo immel's old thread ago...if you gotta talk about it, do it there.

About her stage performing...

her music's different, and her image is different. Coincidence? ...

[maikaru]

Originally Posted by Melrose

In AT08 it's entirely different again, though. It's like either it's REALLY different or REALLY the same and that's kinda inconsistant. If you can come up with an explanation for that then that'd be great. :X

As I didn't see AT08, I couldn't comment on it. But she did Surreal ~ Evolution ~ Surreal, right? Maybe that's why it sounds different. Oh well. Also could be that she has become used to and adapted her songs for left ear non function.

I do like how she has become really way more animated... in until that day.., kiss or kill, and all her other songs. *-*

In first tours, I think maybe she is so nervous to do it, "what if I can do something wrong~?"

But I really think she has become REALLY grand.. as when watching Mirrorcle World preview for the AT08, it seemed like such a commander~ ahaha.

I like also she is experimenting with new ways to sing songs. Like evolution piano intro in AT 07. I guess sometimes she wanna to take risks, and sometimes she wants to leave it the same.

I also really like her new themes, like almost Moulin Rouge for Tour of Secret. Continue on~ I wanna see more themes, and more interesting and new performances.

I can't wait for the next 10 years~~!! go go~

[Melrose]

^

I doubt that mixing SURREAL in suddenly makes it sound live, compared to three previous identical vocal perfs. =p Especially with AT07 even having a ballad version.~~

@emiko: Being different on stage includes lip synching if she does it more recently.. It's not limited to being more aggressive on stage, which isn't the topic title..

[emi♡]

@melrose: I don't believe I said anything about Ayu being more aggressive on stage, which would usually suggest, I knew it wasn't the topic title.

And lip synching actually doesn't make ayu any different on stage. She could have been doing it her entire career, and still produced the same concerts with the same themes, and performances, dances, everything. If she does do it, it would be to better the performance of the concert as a whole. Which would rule out any of the bad things that people generally associate with lip synching.

What if she was sick? Would you want to go a concert and hear nothing but scratches to music?

It's not really relevant, which is actually why it bugs me that people still can't stop talking about it.

[Ayumi_lover]

@melrose: i'm listening to your comparison2 file. I can hear some similar perfomances, then Ayu singing evolution and laughing then some others lives wich sounds like early perfomances(2004 and earlier), some other parts with different acoustic.
For example part "kitto nandaka ureshikute" sounds pretty similar to me in all parts.