taskinst vs. Don't tell me by Hoobastank

[jbrat2219]

I hope that's all it was, it would make me feel better about it. But only tasuku knows the truth.

[Akutenshi]

I don't know what the rest of you are hearing, but there are note differences everywhere. The guitar chords are different, the intro notes are SIMILAR, but not the same, and the songs are even in completely different keys. The arrangement might be almost the same, but the composition is not.

[jbrat2219]

A change in a few notes don't make a difference, the beat is the same, the guitar intro is the same, the music box sound is the same, it's exactly the same in my opinion xD;

[Akutenshi]

Originally Posted by jbrat2219

A change in a few notes don't make a difference, the beat is the same, the guitar intro is the same, the music box sound is the same, it's exactly the same in my opinion xD;

Beats have been sounding the same in music for decades now, and the music box is not at all the same, because the intro to their song isn't a music box, it's more synth. I think people are just nitpicking.

[Melrose]

Originally Posted by Akutenshi

Beats have been sounding the same in music for decades now, and the music box is not at all the same, because the intro to their song isn't a music box, it's more synth. I think people are just nitpicking.

No, it really is very much the same. Only of course sounding a bit different due to the use of different instruments, etc.

[Delirium-Zer0]

Seriously, you guys all need to stop arguing over the tasking-hoobastank thing. There's already a thread for it. Take it there.

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by HONEY_INSPIRE_ME19

I've got two words for you and zoomzoom.. GROW UP! (the other two words are "Shut up")

Wow, I can't believe you are telling someone who doesn't like the fact that someone who makes their living as a composer and arranger blatantly copied someone else's song to grow up....

I really think that all the copying accusations for Ayu's stuff are usually just coincidence or people thinking too hard (such as with Green), but the taskinst one is really concrete and undebatable imo. You should never pass of someone elses work as your own, especially if you are making money off of it.

[jbrat2219]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

Wow, I can't believe you are telling someone who doesn't like the fact that someone who makes their living as a composer and arranger blatantly copied someone else's song to grow up....

I really think that all the copying accusations for Ayu's stuff are usually just coincidence or people thinking too hard (such as with Green), but the taskinst one is really concrete and undebatable imo. You should never pass of someone elses work as your own, especially if you are making money off of it.

Amen

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

Wow, I can't believe you are telling someone who doesn't like the fact that someone who makes their living as a composer and arranger blatantly copied someone else's song to grow up....

I really think that all the copying accusations for Ayu's stuff are usually just coincidence or people thinking too hard (such as with Green), but the taskinst one is really concrete and undebatable imo. You should never pass of someone elses work as your own, especially if you are making money off of it.

It's definitely concrete, but I think that there could be circumstances here that we don't know.. like we have no idea how he came up with his melody, or if he's even heard the Hoobastank album before.. personally, I think it should be laid to rest, since it's a topic that I don't think anyone likes talking about.

edit: Can a moderator move all of these posts to the taskinst thread? I mean, they're basically the same comments as the ones already there, but eh.

[truehappiness]

I think by far the most plausible answer is that tasuku is the composer and arranger for "Don't Tell Me," and is simply uncredited.

I believed that at first, but I thought that all of Hoobastank's works are generally composed/arranged by the same group of people.. at least, that's according to their Billboard site for the album.

That IS strange that the booklet doesn't say anything though..

[YuriChan]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

Wow, I can't believe you are telling someone who doesn't like the fact that someone who makes their living as a composer and arranger blatantly copied someone else's song to grow up....

I really think that all the copying accusations for Ayu's stuff are usually just coincidence or people thinking too hard (such as with Green), but the taskinst one is really concrete and undebatable imo. You should never pass of someone elses work as your own, especially if you are making money off of it.

Sorry... The reason I said that was because I was tired of them complain about this crap over and over again! I'm sorry that I offended some people. D:

[v3lun420]

Did someone check if in the booklet they mention or credited hoobastank?

I am too lazy to open all my ayumi stuff, anywhere never mind i'll check

Edit: I just checked. Shame on you Tasuku.

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by v3lun420

Did someone check if in the booklet they mention or credited hoobastank?

I am too lazy to open all my ayumi stuff, anywhere never mind i'll check

Edit: I just checked. Shame on you Tasuku.

Idealist brought up a good point.

Hoobastank and Ayu's recording staff are somewhat connected in one of the "6 degree" sort of ways..

It's highly possible that tasuku shared compositions with Hoobastank AND Ayu..

^That's really bad.

[truehappiness]

How is that bad? It's far from bad. It's GREAT, because it means that it's tasuku's work to begin with, so he can do w/e he wants.

[Sure, people might get all riled up like here at AHS, but eh. Whatever. Just because it's not a personally acknowledged "cover that isn't really a cover"... doesn't mean that it's bad]

[TakaSama]

After reading this thread I went to the nearest CD rental shop to see if that Hoobastank album is available here in Japan. Not only is it available, but the booklet clearly labels the music as being written by two of the band members. Tasuku didn't write this song unless "Tasuku" is a pseudonym for a member of Hoobastank. I'm pretty shocked that it isn't a big scandal here since both albums are readily available, but that must just mean that Japan doesn't care very much.

[GRACE]

^I think if it had been a vocal song, there would have been one. Tasuku probably picked it that way so no one would make a huge fuss over it.

[truehappiness]

I dunno, if it was a vocal song, it wouldn't have had the same impact imo.

I mean, Ayu changes interludes to songs when she sees it fit..

[maikaru]

Originally Posted by TakaSama

After reading this thread I went to the nearest CD rental shop to see if that Hoobastank album is available here in Japan. Not only is it available, but the booklet clearly labels the music as being written by two of the band members. Tasuku didn't write this song unless "Tasuku" is a pseudonym for a member of Hoobastank. I'm pretty shocked that it isn't a big scandal here since both albums are readily available, but that must just mean that Japan doesn't care very much.

I don't even think most japanese people know about Hoobastank...
Or really care. Ayumi is loved, even though she is having a rough times, and Hoobstank... just really, I didn't even know about them until I saw this scandal. =\ And honestly, because Ayumi and Hoobastank are two completely different sounds, like genre wise, I don't think people expect it.

And billboard site clearly says composer for Don't Tell Me song is one of the band members, so that's not really possible for task to be the composer and arranger, like TakaSama said.

The only part that's similar in the songs is the opening, the music box like thingie. But I mean, it's entirely possible, but probably not the truth, that taskinst and don't tell me are simply a coincidence, because don't tell me's composition is very simple, and the progression is very standard, and not too much dynamic. there are two bars between the addition of instruments in the intro, I think really really common, and the melody is very familiar one.. it sounds like every single american rock band.

So it could be that tasku had the same thought in pattern at the exact same time as hoobastank peoples, that somehow he got the rights to the beginning melody, that he changed the eighth note slightly, or this is complete scam. LOL.

Personally, I don't think it's that big of a deal, since Hoobastank didn't make that big of a deal, like they didn't make and lawsuits or whatever. And that could mean that Hoobstank let them to use the composition. We don't really know...

[v3lun420]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

Idealist brought up a good point.

Hoobastank and Ayu's recording staff are somewhat connected in one of the "6 degree" sort of ways..

It's highly possible that tasuku shared compositions with Hoobastank AND Ayu..

LOL.... @ Idealist^^