Green PV Discussion

[Sironigous]

Originally Posted by maikaru

Oh apparently Days was on Mezamashi Television..
We can watch both pvs now.

AH!!!...really...? That means Days full version was played as well!...

I wonder if it was any better than GREEN's.

[se7entheaven]

Originally Posted by perfectodub

i know since glitter/fated the poeple of this forum are very dissatisfied about ayu clips
they say:
"i can undestand the idea" "the director is bad" "the concept is not clear" "one sequence is too long" bla bla bla

don't you think that maybe you are mistaken?
do you think ayu would work with a bad director?
i really love this video,, but the people is waiting for something too much USA way (effects, edition, concept, tone)
don't forget that this video is made for the asian audience.

I'm so agree
Please guys
the into part is supposed to show ayu's RUSHING to the theater
Rushing and singing at the same time, then there's so many people there, what do you expect? she walked like nobody's business and when everytime people see her walking they'll just step aside and give her the road like a queen? puh-lease

I'd rather have this video than seeing ayu sitting under a CG GREEN tree with leaves falling down and she dances under the GREEN tree...sucks
She did a good job using Shanghai...portraying asian...because she's focusing on Asian Market now
Imagine she goes to Hawaii AGAIN...NO NO

[SURREAL__RAINBOW]

Originally Posted by tokyoxjapanxfan

oh no no i meant in the PV is she a lesbian xDDD not in real life like i mean, was the story about her being in love with another girl xD

and about gomi--i think so too lol

LOL xD

[ll moments ll]

i thought it was okay. not the best, but not the worst. i thought the concept could've been executed better though.

at least the song's amazing.

[GRACE]

Days was only a preview

[Rocky Raven]

Originally Posted by se7entheaven

I'm so agree
Please guys
the into part is supposed to show ayu's RUSHING
she walked like nobody's business and when everytime people see her walking they'll just step aside and give her the road like a queen? puh-lease

that's the worst part of the whole PV! Dont u see that !?!

[maikaru]

Originally Posted by GRACE

Days was only a preview

yeah~ I was reading 2 channel about the pv.
And first it just said "I watched the Days pv on mezamashi."
But now, people are saying that it wasnt the full version.
So you still have to wait a few days~~~

[bluegie]

Originally Posted by se7entheaven

Rushing and singing at the same time, then there's so many people there, what do you expect? she walked like nobody's business and when everytime people see her walking they'll just step aside and give her the road like a queen? puh-lease

I'd rather have this video than seeing ayu sitting under a CG GREEN tree with leaves falling down and she dances under the GREEN tree...sucks
She did a good job using Shanghai...portraying asian...because she's focusing on Asian Market now
Imagine she goes to Hawaii AGAIN...NO NO

No you don't understand. The plot itself is NOT bad. Rather, it's the plot being executed poorly during that scene. Also, you can't deny that she's really bad in acting... really bad. If the director is good enough, he would have told ayu that the exaggeration was unnecessary. But he didn't do that. He just let ayu being in that way. I know ayu does have lots of controls on her own right now. But it's the director job to tell whether the acting/dancing/scene being executed in the right way.

And it has nothing to do with focusing on Asian Market. It is not about geography. It's about a pv with a plot being poorly executed and with lots of nonsense within.

[Amrai-chan]

The idea for the PV was good. It just wasn't executed as well as it could have been. So good points...

• This was my first time hearing the song green all the way through. I liked the song alot.
  
• The Chinese feel of the PV.
• Midoring was in a suit.
• The part where Ayu and Midoring were dancing and there was the face touching.
• Ayu looked good in the red dress. (Isn't it called a qípáo?)

There's more good points but yeah...
As far as if Midoring was a guy or not....Midoring was wearing heels.

It could be a worse PV... but you can't please everybody. Overall, I like the symbolism and such. But again, it could have been executed better.

[bluegie]

Originally Posted by Amrai-chan

[*]The part where Ayu and Midoring were dancing and there was the face touching.

That's the only part I found good in the whole dancing part.

[ImpactBreaker]

Originally Posted by bluegie

No you don't understand. The plot itself is NOT bad. Rather, it's the plot being executed poorly during that scene. Also, you can't deny that she's really bad in acting... really bad. If the director is good enough, he would have told ayu that the exaggeration was unnecessary. But he didn't do that. He just let ayu being in that way. I know ayu does have lots of controls on her own right now. But it's the director job to tell whether the acting/dancing/scene being executed in the right way.

And it has nothing to do with focusing on Asian Market. It is not about geography. It's about a pv with a plot being poorly executed and with lots of nonsense within.

Everyone blames the director, but well, what if ayu didn't feel like doing another take again? What if she just thought: "I don't mind the flaws, I'm tired and I don't want to redo that scene again".

[maikaru]

Originally Posted by Amrai-chan

There's more good points but yeah...
As far as if Midoring was a guy or not....Midoring was wearing heels.

If Midoring was not wearing heels, she would be much smaller than Ayumi..
And always the man has to be taller in those love situations.
Its the cliche of the world, including asia~
You cant really notice the heels either~~
And I think if she really was supposed to be a girl..
she would look more like a girl... o.o);;

Anyways~ its up to whoever watches the pv.
Unless if the making video tells us some of the story.

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

Everyone blames the director, but well, what if ayu didn't feel like doing another take again? What if she just thought: "I don't mind the flaws, I'm tired and I don't want to redo that scene again".

As someone said to me before..
That doesnt sound like her attitude.
She does something until its correct and right in her mind.
And its the editing team and directors job to force her to make other takes..
Because it looks bad on the director if it looks bad...
Even if she had bad acting, I think they could have done more to make it better.

It was a beautiful looking pv..
But poor pv..

Even those 2 channels are saying..
"That is the weirdest pv I have ever watched."
etc.

I laughed so much~~ ahaha.

[jbrat2219]

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

Everyone blames the director, but well, what if ayu didn't feel like doing another take again? What if she just thought: "I don't mind the flaws, I'm tired and I don't want to redo that scene again".

Then he should have talked her into it. Ayu's not the kind of person to be like that anyway. I mean if she were, we wouldn't have momentum, which apparently was a pain in the butt to record. We probably wouldn't have had GUILTY because she didn't feel inspired... She does what she has to anyway =/ It was his job to tell her if she was doing it right or not.

[GRACE]

If they wanted Midoring to be a guy though, why wouldn't they just get a male dancer? It's not like she has no male dancers so they compensated, she has male dancers

[Tom Punks]

Originally Posted by maikaru

If Midoring was not wearing heels, she would be much smaller than Ayumi..

Really? I've never paid attention, but I always swore her dancers were all taller than her... @_@

[Amrai-chan]

Originally Posted by bluegie

That's the only part I found good in the whole dancing part.

Yeah me too.

Everyone blames the director, but well, what if ayu didn't feel like doing another take again? What if she just thought: "I don't mind the flaws, I'm tired and I don't want to redo that scene again"

I don't see why many people make such a huge deal over the flaws anyway, the flaws are not so horrible that they make the PV unwatchable. To me if I had to pick....if anything makes the PV unwatchable it would be the editing.

But it's watchable to me.

I like when Ayu has flaws such as 'overacting' and such. It shows she's human. People can't be perfect all the time...

[ImpactBreaker]

Originally Posted by jbrat2219

Then he should have talked her into it. Ayu's not the kind of person to be like that anyway. I mean if she were, we wouldn't have momentum, which apparently was a pain in the butt to record. We probably wouldn't have had GUILTY because she didn't feel inspired... She does what she has to anyway =/ It was his job to tell her if she was doing it right or not.

She's a singer. You can't compare recording a song/album to acting on a scene, tbh. Plus, we have no proof whether that happened, or whether he talked her into doing it or not. If ayu has so much say in what she does, I'm sure she saw the final thing and approved of it, so she's to blame as well (for those who didn't like it). After all she's the main feature of the video.

Originally Posted by GRACE

If they wanted Midoring to be a guy though, why wouldn't they just get a male dancer? It's not like she has no male dancers so they compensated, she has male dancers

People are just creating excuses because some of them still can't stand/get over the fact that was ayu dancing with a woman and picturing a woman x woman relationship. I'm personally impressed that ayu FINALLY made something different with her themes, poorly executed or not. I'm tired of her lyrics always talking about the same type of love, paths to follow, one winged angels and deceased friends/parents. The same themes always, about the same old guy/love/road. This seems to show she finally decided to make her themes more broader and it definitely gave a different light to the lyrics that really didn't seem much distinct from her previous at first.

Originally Posted by maikaru

As someone said to me before..
That doesnt sound like her attitude.
She does something until its correct and right in her mind.
And its the editing team and directors job to force her to make other takes..
Because it looks bad on the director if it looks bad...
Even if she had bad acting, I think they could have done more to make it better.

Really? Didn't she watch the final thing? If she's so perfectionist, she would see it and say: this is flawed. Let's do it again, or just screw it. Done.

[thesilentspeaker]

Originally Posted by ayu_fantasy

Yea, I thought that ayu midoring part was like too intimate too.... It's kind of unnecessary for ayu to use a girl as a dance partner....
I'd rather it be ayu-shuya, ayu-zin, ayu-subaru, ayu-shawn yue......!!!!

ayu-shuya would be good.. since they have the chenmistry

Originally Posted by kyuutii_hanii

But the PV is supposed to be about "forbidden love"... so it would make no sense if she was secretly in love with Midoring and then dream about dancing with Shuya/Subaru/Shawn Yue... xD

geez, in the story, shuya could be gay.. then it'd make it "forbidden love" then~

[jbrat2219]

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

She's a singer. You can't compare recording a song/album to acting on a scene, tbh. Plus, we have no proof whether that happened, or whether he talked her into doing it or not. If ayu has so much say in what she does, I'm sure she saw the final thing and approved of it, so she's to blame as well (for those who didn't like it). After all she's the main feature of the video.

Music videos are part of the job =/ And you're right, we have no proof one way or the other, and she should have a chance to look over everything. But the major problem with this PV is the editing ><;;; (not really her acting imo even though I know that's what you're referring to) I think everything would have been fine if they had done better with the editing.... But otherwise I agree with you. Ayu is rather responsible for approving this mess the director made with her PV xD; I just don't think she's the type of person to just be "done" with something...

[maikaru]

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

People are just creating excuses because some of them still can't stand/get over the fact that was ayu dancing with a woman and picturing a woman x woman relationship.

Really? Didn't she watch the final thing? If she's so perfectionist, she would see it and say: this is flawed. Let's do it again, or just screw it. Done.

I dont think you can really expect people to openly accept that.
Especially in Asia.
Maybe thats a bit harsh, but yeah..
People expect Ayu with Shu-ya, or Ayu with some other male dancer.
They expect, and want, to see the nice love story of Man and woman.
Because its a dream~
Woman x woman love is shocking if you dont even expect it.
But even Japanese message boards are considering Midoring as the male.
They dont really see her a woman in the PV..
And if they do, they are making fun of it, and saying its the worst, or the weirdest PV.

And to the question about Midoring height from someone else..
Yeah, if you notice, Midoring is wearing really high heels, because Ayumi is wearing high heels as well.
If Midoring wasnt wearing high heels, she would look smaller than her, cause Ayumi is in those high heels too right?
ahaha confusing sentence..

Anyways, even Ayumi herself said she will do everything until it's right.
However, the Director also has most of the say in the PV.
She hired him, so I'm sure because he is a "professional," she has to trust him.
But yeah, she watches the shot after it was taken, so its partly her fault.
But its also mostly the fault of the director for not directing her better.
And the fault of the editing team for not hiding those faults.

I think actually, looking back..
The news reports said that Ayumi would be playing a star in Shanghai.
But I felt she is just a regular bar singer.
The only thing that made it feel like she is a Shanghai star was her banner.
But then, after that, nothing.
She walked through the people like they didnt know who she is..
Maybe its just.. the news reports made it to be so big, and so extravagant.
But it feels so ordinary and weird.

Obviously, we dont agree in these points~
So its best to just say that we agree that this is not one of her best PVs.
But its a beautiful one~