Queen of POP/King of POP

[noidea]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

Ok... here we go:

Don't take the fact that you don't like Ayu's post MA work as they are the same... Even if most of those albums are rock oriented, they don't take the same kind of rock as main influence... Secret is Hard Rock influenced, while Guilty has tones of Metal. (miss)understood isn't a rock album at all, and so is My Story. Next Level doesn't sound like those too.

Ayu has pro-women songs, gay music video, kiss on the mouth on scene, and this guy was chinese, "Asia is one" and the list goes on. If you think all those are not a problem over there, go study a little of their culture. This can not atract censorship, but is far from being well seen over there.
IMO that's why she aways releases the controversal stuff as the b-side or less promoted side of a single were the main track is generic and easy-selling.... (Days/Green, fairyland/alterna, etc)

these two things!
I cant believe people really say she hasnt changed since MA and that ayu is NOT controversial, shes probably the most controversial japanese artist, at least I cant think of a more controversial one

[truehappiness]

Aren't Mr. Children controversial at times? Or like.. She Who Must Not Be Named?

[ストロボ・EdGE]

Originally Posted by Coelacanth

I get the feeling Ayu is considered the MJ of Japan in regards to how much plastic surgery she gets (Not saying that Ayu has gotten surgery, but in Japan it seems to be accepted as a widely known fact).

Michael Jackson was a fantastic entertainer in many ways but the honest truth is that his plastic surgery was a big, widely known mess. I mean, supposedly the poor man's nose had fallen off before, even though I guess we really don't know how true that is. I don't think that the plastic surgery he had (drastic) and the supposed surgery that Ayumi has had can be compared.

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

Aren't Mr. Children controversial at times? Or like.. She Who Must Not Be Named?

I remember that once on a brazilian jpop forum, people were asking for protest songs on jpop... I cited my name's WOMEN, but someone cited some Mr. Children songs with social criticism...
Namie released some bold stuff too (Wild for example has some interesting statements), but as a divorced working mom, she is a controverse herself

[ストロボ・EdGE]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

Aren't Mr. Children controversial at times? Or like.. She Who Must Not Be Named?

Who is she who must not be named?
Kumi?

[truehappiness]

You mean

Spoiler:

Koldamort

? Perhaps. But for now: She Who Must Not Be Named.

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

You mean

Spoiler:

Koldamort

? Perhaps. But for now: She Who Must Not Be Named.

why? o_O
wt...? xD

[Coelacanth]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

Ok... here we go:

Don't take the fact that you don't like Ayu's post MA work as they are the same... Even if most of those albums are rock oriented, they don't take the same kind of rock as main influence... Secret is Hard Rock influenced, while Guilty has tones of Metal. (miss)understood isn't a rock album at all, and so is My Story. Next Level doesn't sound like those too.

Yeah but I never said I didn't like Ayu's post-MA work...

I don't understand what you're trying to argue here. I'm saying that Ayu hasn't reinvented herself like Madonna has, and you start going on about how versatile she is with her music. Sure, she dabbles in hard rock, electro, and R&B among other genres, but she does not reinvent herself the way Madonna does. Madonna creates very conceptual albums, whereas Ayu creates very few albums that actually have a solid concept. Madonna's albums tend to stick to one genre and one cohesive sound (COADF, Erotica, Ray of Light), whereas Ayu's albums (especially post MA) are multi-genre. You can stick Ladies Night on NEXT LEVEL. You can put decision on MY STORY. You can slap Together When... on Memorial address. Do you understand what I'm getting at? I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but I think Ayu is far from a risk-taker compared to Madonna and does not want to alienate her audience musically.

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

Ayu has pro-women songs, gay music video, kiss on the mouth on scene, and this guy was chinese, "Asia is one" and the list goes on. If you think all those are not a problem over there, go study a little of their culture. This can not atract censorship, but is far from being well seen over there.
IMO that's why she aways releases the controversal stuff as the b-side or less promoted side of a single were the main track is generic and easy-selling.... (Days/Green, fairyland/alterna, etc)

I refuse to accept the homoerotic themes in GREEN as controversial because it's way too subtle for the average person. Pro-women songs? I don't know if "controversial" is the word for that exactly... Daring, perhaps? But not exactly controversial. Other idols that came before Ayu have already entered that territory anyway. Ayu is certainly edgy sometimes, but I don't think she'll ever have the Japanese public up in arms. Anyway, I was talking about some of the religious themes she has used (the cross in concerts, Virgin Mary, etc.) and how they might be seen as controversial in America/Europe (everything involving religion is) whereas they wouldn't be in Japan because of the predominantly non-Christian population.

Originally Posted by ストロボ・EdGE

I don't think that the plastic surgery he had (drastic) and the supposed surgery that Ayumi has had can be compared.

Hey, I don't either. Don't shoot the messenger, lol.

Originally Posted by truehappiness

Aren't Mr. Children controversial at times? Or like.. She Who Must Not Be Named?

I would consider them both far more edgy than Ayu. I mean.. Ayu has haters and all.. but as far as I know she hasn't gotten death threats like She Who Must Not Be Named. That must mean something, right?

[truehappiness]

I would consider them both far more edgy than Ayu. I mean.. Ayu has haters and all.. but as far as I know she hasn't gotten death threats like She Who Must Not Be Named. That must mean something, right?

True, but I think that SWMNBN probably just pisses people off [like me] to the point where they want to throw a brassiere filled explosives at her, but hey. Just sayin'.

[Coelacanth]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

True, but I think that SWMNBN probably just pisses people off [like me] to the point where they want to throw a brassiere filled explosives at her, but hey. Just sayin'.

But why exactly does she piss people off? Is it because she's a ****?

See, that's controversial. Understandable.

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by Coelacanth

But why exactly does she piss people off? Is it because she's a ****?

See, that's controversial. Understandable.

Maybe. Maybe not.

[Andrenekoi]

Every pop artists have haters, koda's death treats were public, most of the time they don't go this far (Utada talked about it on her "blacklist fans")

Ayu touches some themes that are not confortable, and not only the sexual thing... When I talk about the on-screen scece or the "asia is one" thing, I'm not taking in considerating west stantarts controverse, I'm talking about things that are problems OVER THERE. Ayumi has feminist songs (and some goes like "you don't need to marry", what is something to be taken in consideration), bashed Avex, has some half naked photoshots and the list goes on... this is not anything to write home about here, but it is a big deal over there! Of course is not going to shock japanese society like Madonna did in the Americas, but it's different... If she shocks Japan at this level, she will not sell anything (considering that in Japan, even using drugs can stop yout selling). But she is controversial all the way she can considering she doesn't want to be banned from music insdustry.

and I not saying it based on what I think, I talked to some friends that lived in Japan for years, and while the one who doesn't know her was impressed that she done some things I cited and still has fame, other one that knows her confirmed that she is controversial over there

But I'm not saying that she is the most controversial person ever, or the most on jpop (so isn't Koda), just that she is far from playing safe

[fantasma3c]

I say maybe he did influence her

[AyuCharm615]

I think he did influence her too in soume kind of way

When i found out he wrote that love song about a pet rat....idk why but i thought of ayu.
When i saw michael in a space suit flying around on stage...i thought of ayu..lol
And the way he music videos r.....they remind me of ayus....well not all of them...but some of them!

Im loving all u guys comment on the matter...very insightful.

[oneheart]

I'm liking this thread actually. New insight on a lot of things. You guys are really philosophical!

Excuse me though. Every artists brings something new to the table.

[Polyrhythm]

Ayu is not going to be forced to speak if she doesnt really care for the subject. There is no need for her to say anything. The world will not care less about his passing if one particularly famous Japanese singer doesnt make a public statement about his death. He's fine

Oh yeah. This thread exists already

http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91682

[kendelle]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

You mean

Spoiler:

Koldamort

? Perhaps. But for now: She Who Must Not Be Named.