[Charts & Rankings] Official Oricon Thread ~Rock'n'Roll Circus & ARENA TOUR 2009 NEXT LEVEL~ II

[roanmy]

I'm hoping that after Ayu's 50th single, she'll take a little break. It's not impossible, because I think her 50th will be the one that surpasses Seiko's record if she can keep the #1's. Two more singles and she'll be tied, three more, break it! =D

[truehappiness]

TOUR sales volume never adds to oricon sales

Yes, they do.

http://biz.oricon.co.jp/information_eventsales.asp
However, since September 2009, they've only counted 30%. (Or a maximum of 3,000 copies?) I don't know where you got that they didn't count them at all, since sales are sales even if they aren't a "shop" per se.

Think about how sales shot up during the concert days for Mirrorcle World. It's the only logical explanation. (This is in 2008.)

[AngelSenshi]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

Yes, they do.

http://biz.oricon.co.jp/information_eventsales.asp
However, since September 2009, they've only counted 30%. (Or a maximum of 3,000 copies?) I don't know where you got that they didn't count them at all, since sales are sales even if they aren't a "shop" per se.

Think about how sales shot up during the concert days for Mirrorcle World. It's the only logical explanation. (This is in 2008.)

I was always quite sure that tour sales counted. But I really wonder, why are only about 30% counted since like you said, sales are sales even if they aren't in a shop.

[Crystal_Ageha]

I wasn't sure if they counted concert sales, either... ****, they may as well not! I mean, tens of thousands of people attend each concert. Hopefully only a couple thousand are buying at the concerts. Otherwise, there's literally thousands of copies that won't be counted. Then again, there probably is only a small percentage of people who are buying at the concerts, so I guess it's not the biggest deal.... Still very stupid, though, the way the system is.

[AngelSenshi]

Originally Posted by Crystal_Ageha

I wasn't sure if they counted concert sales, either... ****, they may as well not! I mean, tens of thousands of people attend each concert. Hopefully only a couple thousand are buying at the concerts. Otherwise, there's literally thousands of copies that won't be counted. Then again, there probably is only a small percentage of people who are buying at the concerts, so I guess it's not the biggest deal.... Still very stupid, though, the way the system is.

I know! And 30% is really an odd number to be counting, isn't it?

[Bigtop]

What's the problem with 30%?

[truehappiness]

Hopefully only a couple thousand are buying at the concerts. Otherwise, there's literally thousands of copies that won't be counted.

The reason is mainly because it's possible to manipulate the sales figures in favor of the artists who do events/etc. in question. I think it's especially the case for like AKB48 and other idols (male or female) who do handshake events and sell thousands that way.

[tokyoxjapanxfan]

wow the sales are still good
glad to see this~

[Cherry Dynamite]

The sales are good, I'm happy that the sales are steady~

[truehappiness]

It's looking like AT09 will be her best selling tour [on Oricon, not RIAJ's shipped thing] since A MUSEUM~

*1　2,691　徳永英明
*2　1,580　浜崎あゆみ
*3　*,933　レディー・ガガ（ザ・モンスター）

*4　テゴマス
*5　9mm Parabellum Bullet
*6　AKB48
*7　UVERworld
*8　FUNKY MONKEY BABYS
*9　レディー・ガガ
10　坂本冬美

Midday numbers for today. Ayu's doing rather well, selling more than everyone else who released this week other than Hideaki Tokunaga.

[Nackar_91]

Originally Posted by Bigtop

(I'm not sure about this, but the reasons why Arashi has record-breaking numbers in sales of singles, albums, and even DVD sales (despite that their past singles did not reach a million; only the "All the BEST! 1999-2009" best album was a million seller) are because of two things: a very large, crazy and satisfied fanbase compared to Ayu, and I don't know about this, but Arashi's releases (along with other Johnny's artists) are not available in iTunes because of Johnny's Internet regulations. I don't know if this is accurate, but if anybody knows, please tell me...)

You do have a point, but I can't stress enough how little iTunes matters in the Japanese music world. In Japan, mobile sales are preferred to PC sales, and even when only looking at PC sales, iTunes only makes up for 10% of total sales. Really, it's only a tiny portion.

But you ARE right that Johnny's doesn't release chaku uta-full songs. So if their fans want the entire song, they're going to have to buy the physical CD, giving them an easy advantage. In my opinion, it's a cheap way to make your artists seem much more popular than they are.

[Foyuki]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

Yes, they do.

http://biz.oricon.co.jp/information_eventsales.asp
However, since September 2009, they've only counted 30%. (Or a maximum of 3,000 copies?) I don't know where you got that they didn't count them at all, since sales are sales even if they aren't a "shop" per se.

Think about how sales shot up during the concert days for Mirrorcle World. It's the only logical explanation. (This is in 2008.)

Mirrocle World's sales is done by avex.
I don't know if oricon will add 3000 copies(or just 30%) from all TOUR sales
I will ask to make sure about this .
I'm not sure about RNRC(but before all albums haven't added TOUR sales)
But one thing is for sure that official import(HK.TW etc.) JP press won't add to oricon sales since 2010

[truehappiness]

Mirrocle World's sales is done by avex.

The concert tour started when Mirrorcle World went on sale, with dates on the day of release and also the weekend of.

2008年4月8日(火) 国立代々木競技場第一体育館 17:30/18:30
2008年4月12日(土) ホットハウススーパーアリーナ(旧グランディ・21) 17:30/18:30
2008年4月13日(日) ホットハウススーパーアリーナ(旧グランディ・21) 15:00/16:00

It makes sense imo. There were also various extras that came with ordering the single at the venue.

I don't know if oricon will add 3000 copies(or just 30%) from all TOUR sales
I will ask to make sure about this .
I'm not sure about RNRC(but before all albums haven't added TOUR sales)

And how exactly do you know that? Who are you going to ask? Do you have some source at avex who knows? Oricon = the ones who are counting sales, and they're the ones saying that 3,000 / 30% are being counted from event / non-vendor sales since late 2009 in the press release.

But one thing is for sure that official import(HK.TW etc.) JP press won't add to oricon sales since 2010

And why would they? That'd be like sales at the Kinokuniyas or Sanseido Books here in the States counting towards Oricon.

[Foyuki]

of course ask for avex staff
here is the message from an avex staff
no,the only sales from CD stores system (+some net sales) count to oricon chart
if not such ways.it won't be included
I asked for him just now:if oricon includes TOUR CD sales
I know oricon will count
but TOUR sales is from avex you know
if avex won't send their sales volume
oricon can do nothing -_-

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by AngelSenshi

I was always quite sure that tour sales counted. But I really wonder, why are only about 30% counted since like you said, sales are sales even if they aren't in a shop.

Because it allowed record companies to cheat. Actual stores have digital ways that count the number of copies sold, however at concerts, its basically done by hand. So technically, record companies could make up any number that they want and report it to Oricon. So nowadays, Oricon only counts 30% of what the record companies claim that they sold at the concerts.

And no, I still don't and never will believe that the Mirrorcle World sales that weekend were 100% legitimate. But I doubt that she is the only artist that has had to secure number ones that way. That's why imo the 30% thing is a really good thing now.

Originally Posted by Nackar_91

But you ARE right that Johnny's doesn't release chaku uta-full songs. So if their fans want the entire song, they're going to have to buy the physical CD, giving them an easy advantage. In my opinion, it's a cheap way to make your artists seem much more popular than they are.

They do release chaku-uta full, but not as often as non-Johnny's artists however. Chaku-uta or not though, many Johnny's artists are actually that popular.

[Foyuki]

you can choose to believe this or not
But at least I believe this

[Foyuki]

But one thing is for sure that official import(HK.TW etc.) JP press won't add to oricon sales since 2010

And why would they? That'd be like sales at the Kinokuniyas or Sanseido Books here in the States counting towards Oricon.
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this is surely confirmed by avex twice
I did RNRC import procurement of CN this time
So I asked this

[truehappiness]

I was basically saying that they would never count overseas sales in brick & mortar stores of Japan presses as part of Oricon. There's no need to especially since the numbers probably aren't that big. (I was agreeing with you.)

*1　8,554　BUMP OF CHICKEN
*2　4,760　DOES
*3　4,275　aiko

*1　13,590　徳永英明
*2　*6,941　浜崎あゆみ
*3　*4,654　レディー・ガガ

And no, I still don't and never will believe that the Mirrorcle World sales that weekend were 100% legitimate.

Of course, of course. Almost like when AAA jumped up in the last day for MIRAGE, haha.

no,the only sales from CD stores system (+some net sales) count to oricon chart
if not such ways.it won't be included

Sales are sales though. Do you really think avex wouldn't report thousands of copies sold at the venue?

[Foyuki]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

I was basically saying that they would never count overseas sales in brick & mortar stores of Japan presses as part of Oricon. There's no need to especially since the numbers probably aren't that big. (I was agreeing with you.)





Of course, of course. Almost like when AAA jumped up in the last day for MIRAGE, haha.

I know your meaning
one of TOHOSHINKI's fans send an email to HMV.jp
their responce is overseas sales will count to oricon
they will send their numbers once a week
so I don't know if it will be surely counted

[truehappiness]

one of TOHOSHINKI's fans send an email to HMV.jp
their responce is overseas sales will count to oricon

HMV's sales counting towards Oricon is like how YesAsia and CDJapan count towards Oricon though.

It is not the same as a record store in the United States or Taiwan or China selling a copy of the Japanese press, haha.