The Happiness of Ayumi Hamasaki

[AyUta]

I totally agree with you. For me, as her loving fan, I just wish only the best for her, and I'm happy that she's happy right now. It makes me all warm inside that she's found love, and honestly, he seems like a very sweet guy.

But, you know.....

Spoiler:

If he does anything, EVER, to hurt little ayu, there will be some serious asskicking from her loving fan(s).

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@chocopockymaster
some people have genuine concerns about this news. i don't but you can't expect someone to think so blindly. if the feeling of happiness is the only thing important then anyone can do whatever they want, even sinful things, as long as they are happy but you know that's not right...

Originally Posted by Kanzaki88

But who says you need only to talk to communicate? 70% of what we "say" to each other is just made up of our body language.

you don't know what it's like to be married. someone said it might be a problem in the long run and i tend to agree. don't think about marriages you see on romantic dramas. if this was not your intention, i apologize!
i don't think it is a problem however because ayumi's english is good and she is constantly improving.

[Amrai-chan]

Originally Posted by Kanzaki88

Maybe. I didn't do that with my bf though, we just learned it kinda automatically as the days went by. We'd been IM'ing in english and then we met, but we just 'clicked', though there were a lot of "what?"s and "what did you say?"

My point is...It's a bs excuse for opposing an engagement. I know that, since I've got personal experience with those so called "barriers".

Spoiler:

And I shouldn't say this (it seems like a crappy attempt to steal attention from Ayu's engagement, lol) but I'm getting married to my own little foreigner later this year ^^ I proposed to him on New Years Eve. That's why I know that it's bs

Yeah it's a possibility. It is. Congratulations!

[Chibi-Chan]

Originally Posted by Uemarasan

I'm a little surprised about some of the negativity and doubts surrounding the big announcement. I'm genuinely happy for Ayu, but it also got me to thinking about something regarding the relationship between fans and their idols. So I just wanted to ask: do fans have the right to have a stake in the happiness of the people they admire, people they do not know in REAL life? Why?

My take: I mean, for God's sake, she's 32 years old. She's an adult who can take care of herself and she's capable of making her own decisions. This isn't some sort of immature clueless high school romance; I am sure they know what they're getting into.

Sometimes people just click instantly. Love doesn't have any predetermined lengths or limitations. And honestly, people, please, your ages are showing. The older you get the less time it takes for you to know if you can see a future with someone. By the time you're 30, you've gone through all the crap and now you can see through the BS when it comes to people and relationships, especially when it comes to people of high emotional intelligence like Ayu. Sometimes you just know; it depends on your emotional maturity. You don't need to waste time. I even bet that Ayu has had a lot of boyfriends and flings that her fans know NOTHING about ever since Tomoya Nagase happened. You'd be surprised about the things you never know about people, even your friends.

I wish happiness for the both of them. Let her live her OWN life and let her make her OWN mistakes, if it comes to that. Ayu should not live for anyone but herself.

It's also disappointing to find so many hypocrites in this forum, fans who want the best for Ayu but only if it is on THEIR terms. But that's just what I think.

Can't agree more!

[PoetGirl]

Im not going into anyone's private life thats why I didnt want to comment that subject at all. I just want to say here Im happy she's happy.

[Andali]

I'm sick of people going on about a language barrier. I mean seriously, if that were a problem then they probably wouldn't have made it this far. Ayu took singing lessons in America for goodness sake. Give the girl credit where credits due. Just cos she has an accent and every now and then uses the wrong sentence structure doesn't mean she doesn't understand or can't express herself. Ayu is happy. Trust her judgement and her heart's voice.

Someone is giving her their wing. She wants to fly. Be happy for her and let her reach the sky.

[Kanzaki]

Originally Posted by Amrai-chan

Yeah it's a possibility. It is. Congratulations!

Originally Posted by AngelSenshi

I agree with the thread-starter in this case, and with a lot of what you, Kanzaki88, have said! I agree loads! And also, congratulations to you too!

Thank you ^^
The date, my 23rd birthday: 11-11-11

I'm so happy for Ayu, for myself, and I have such high hopes for this year right now

[Coelacanth]

She's a public figure. Of course there's going to be people with different opinions about her, this includes her love life... I don't understand why so many people are offended because some individuals are either indifferent or not particularly happy for her. Who cares? It's not going to affect Ayu, we all know she's stronger than that. She can deal with the scrutiny. And someone's particular views on her personal life isn't a measure of how "good" or "bad" a fan is, so everyone needs to stop with that nonsense as well.

Originally Posted by Echiko

I just want to point out that fans have feelings for her too so their fears aren't just "having a say in how she finds happiness". They're concern. So, yes. Some can hold their tongue. But the shock will pass and fans can do whatever they want. Everyone knows only her feelings matter.

Thank you.

It probably has to do with me being a huge Michael Jackson fan, that I'm so distrustful. Point is, you need to be careful when you're as wealthy and successful as someone like Ayu. I'm sure people understand that it's her own life and she needs to be allowed to make her own decisions and make her own mistakes. It doesn't mean they're not going to have thoughts or feelings about her personal decisions. Y'all that are happy for her ARE still actively involved in discussing her personal matters, so don't act like everybody with a negative opinion needs to "mind their own business." Please.

[nanakopy87]

i sometimes wonder if people will care so much if ayu is not a big star.would you care so much if she is just a anonymous woman to everyone?i accept her choices and i wish her good luck and hope that she will happy always.

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Do fans have the right to have a stake in the happiness of the people they admire, people they do not know in REAL life? Why?

i think it's okay to be concerned for someone. sometimes the opinions of fans or the public can influence a choice of a public figure. but hate and jealousy are different from concern. there's always going to be crazy stans/fans in every fandom. you just gotta deal with it, lol.

but for me, i try to distance myself from their private life and just enjoy their work. sure, i like to keep up with gossip or whatever and poke fun sometimes, but i just remember that idols and stars are human too.

[ストロボ・EdGE]

PREACH IT

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[lumieregrl]

+1!

[JackieRos]

Who cares about what we think?
We are just fans, our opinions don't affect her
Is her life not ours

Nothing stops us from having our opinions

[Sirea]

^ If you're a true fan, you respect her. You look up to her and wish the best for her. It's only natural that a fan, while having no true impact personally on Ayu's life, feels connected to her and wants what's in her best interests, because you don't want to see her fail.

This is what she has decided is best for her, and this is what she wants to make her happy. As I stated before, fans have taken more than enough of her life away from her, even though she didn't need to give it at all. She gave up her time and work to please those who follow her.

Now, she's doing something for herself. Have the decency to respect that and understand that that is a small favor to ask in return for how strong she's been in order to fulfill all her fans' wishes.

[Kazeyomi]

I couldn't agree more with you, Uemarasan.
It may looks rushed but as I said before, you'll never know how love really works. Long relationship doesn't mean real love, most of the times. Nagase and Ayu turns into a brothers alike relationship after so many years. And she focused on her work, until she met Mannie. Maybe he's the perfect match for Ayu we don't know if they will live together until death or not. I hope they live together with a life full of happiness and love though, but yeah I'm a really romantic girl so you know I love daydreaming.

However, I'm really really happy for Ayu ^^ and I think she would be really happy as well, if we (japanese and not) fans would support her now.

Spoiler:

off topic: Congratz Kanzaki!

[gallowsCalibrator]

Just have to say, I completely agree with Kanzaki on the language barrier thing. I know from personal experience, because my uncle speaks English and he's learning Japanese because of my aunt, who is from Japan, and she is learning English just fine~ From what I can see, my aunt and Ayu's English are around the same skill level, so I see no difference. My aunt and uncle are perfectly happy together, why can't Ayu and Mannie be?

Language thing aside, I really agree with the first post. Completely. This is Ayu's life, she can live and love however she wants to. If this was a mistake, then it was her mistake, she will learn from it, and she will grow as a person from it. She's already proven that she is a mentally strong person~ Chances are though, that it wasn't a mistake, and she will live happily, the way we should all wish for her. Either way we should support her not only as her fans, but as people who actually care about her

[Uemarasan]

Thank you, everyone, for your comments so far! Kanzaki, congratulations!

Originally Posted by Coelacanth

She's a public figure. Of course there's going to be people with different opinions about her, this includes her love life... I don't understand why so many people are offended because some individuals are either indifferent or not particularly happy for her. Who cares? It's not going to affect Ayu, we all know she's stronger than that. She can deal with the scrutiny. And someone's particular views on her personal life isn't a measure of how "good" or "bad" a fan is, so everyone needs to stop with that nonsense as well.

It probably has to do with me being a huge Michael Jackson fan, that I'm so distrustful. Point is, you need to be careful when you're as wealthy and successful as someone like Ayu. I'm sure people understand that it's her own life and she needs to be allowed to make her own decisions and make her own mistakes. It doesn't mean they're not going to have thoughts or feelings about her personal decisions. Y'all that are happy for her ARE still actively involved in discussing her personal matters, so don't act like everybody with a negative opinion needs to "mind their own business." Please.

The point of this thread wasn't to close the discussion on the indifference or negativity towards the announcement. I simply wanted to open the discussion on why do fans care so much. I personally hope that this marriage works. If it doesn't, it doesn't. I'm more interested in why it seems like fans like to think they know what's best for people they idolize. It's a fair question.

Sure, people can have different opinions about her love life. And people can have opinions on other people's opinions. Fans come in all different shapes and sizes. If someone believes that fans are being hypocritical, then they have the right to call them out on it. How is that nonsense? Personally, I think that people should have a little more faith in people.

There's one difference between Michael Jackson and Ayumi Hamasaki. Ayu isn't a naive man-child. I love Michael Jackson's music, but let's be honest, he wasn't exactly the smartest thing around when it came to trusting people and being in charge of his assets.

And let's be clear about it: what fans of Ayu know about how she has lived her life is only what she chooses to reveal to fans. I believe that there is so much more she doesn't let people know. It's an illusion to think that you know someone intimately when you don't know that person in real life.

[Jennie Mae]

Originally Posted by Uemarasan

Ayu isn't a naive man-child.

Now there's something you don't hear every day

[Uemarasan]

Originally Posted by Jennie Mae

Now there's something you don't hear every day

Her lyrics and non-English interviews betray the childlike nature she plays up for fans In my experience, intelligence is something you can't fake. Smart people see right through you. I bet she's a ruthless businesswoman.

[Mami-chan]

Originally Posted by Uemarasan

I wish happiness for the both of them. Let her live her OWN life and let her make her OWN mistakes, if it comes to that. Ayu should not live for anyone but herself.

THIS. She's free and she's an adult.
If she thinks he's the right one I'm with her. If they're going to stay together forever I'll be happy, if they won't... well, maybe it would be painful for Ayu but it was HER choice for HER own life and when she did it she believed in it. That's all.
And I can see her happy now, and it makes me happy too ^__^