Music getting flat...

[emi♡]

lol

in any case, I agree with what koumori said. There have always been crappy people and "good" people, and mainstream, and non mainstream...so

Maybe you guys are just getting old

Originally Posted by isthisLOL?

I love how you ignore every other sentence
Have you realized now I never judged her music as being good or bad or are you just trying to be witty?

I wasn't aware I had to reply to each sentence. Well all righty! Here goes!

Originally Posted by isthisLOL?

It's not an opinion. You're mistaking the music being good or not with it being generic and similar or not. Generic doesn't mean similar One is partly subjective and I did not talk about it, one is purely objective. Yes, a lot of her songs sound similar.
I don't care if you like her music, you can like it if you want to. And I really don't care if you don't care. But her music is highly generic so bringing her up in a discussion about music becoming flat and generic is like bringing up Twilight as a positive example in a discussion about well-developed characters. Once again, generic does not equal similar. In fact, Vision of Love was completely different than the "norm" in 1990.
Her ballads follow highly similar compositional formulas very engraved in mainstream, moreso than those of the vast majority of singers, as do her more upbeat songs but not as extremely, and the same can be said about her lyrical themes. Yes. Though it was not mainstream in the early and mid 90s.All very limited.

She is a great vocalist though. Really? Even if her headvoice, falsetto and whistle register are rather weak and impressive only for their range.And I'd say having a five octave range is impressive. Her chestvoice was really great in the 90s especially. Yes.

There we go.

[Andrenekoi]

Mariah tends to stick very closelly to a formula and relied a lot on her hardcore fanbase on the 90s... In the end we got a gazillion number one songs that people outside her fanbase doesn't even remember (and before xLitax talks about Ayumi, I will let it said that I know most people don't know most of her number one songs too, still she gots more variety).

She reinvented herself wonderfully on mid-00s with TEOM, but just changed formulas and started to repeat herself a lot again... Well... she is not a bad artist at all, but her (or her producers) excessive safe playing really makes her relevance on the long term shorter... U need to reinvent urself and adapt to new times in order to keep interesting, and she never fully learned this lesson

[femtrooper]

Definitely! I know just what you mean! I find that I become obsessed with one song and listen to it for like a month or two straight always on repeat and then suddenly, I find a new song, and the older one just gets replaced and it kind of gets put 'on hold' for awhile.

[isthisLOL?]

Originally Posted by xLitax

lots of random stuff

You made me laugh a lot, thank you
Especially the mention of her "5 octave range" like it's something noone but her ever achieved, considering the biggest part comes from her headvoice, falsetto and whistle register, things usually NOT COUNTED WHEN TALKING ABOUT VOCAL RANGE, I stopped paying attention. I have over 4 octaves(C2-D6) counting headvoice and falsetto(not even counting whistle register since I never worked on gaining that) and I'm a crappy singer.

I read lots of crap on AHS but your post deserves a special mention.
You know why (most) Ayumi fans don't go running around calling CAROLS or Days masterpieces and Ayumi's voice the best in the universe? Because those things would be almost as delusional as some of the stuff you said about Mariah.

Mariah is a very good vocalist(she is not and will never be "the best" though) with mostly generic and formular but not neccessarily bad songs. She doesn't stand out in Pop for being either great or horrible, but for being bland and having a discography full of 3 or 4 song formulas? Definitely. So I stand by my point, bringing her up in a discussion about music getting flat is a very bad example since her whole career included one(?) re-invention and aside that the same song with slight changes 3 billion times.
Actually, she's quite similar to Lady Gaga in some ways looking at her career and music(not the genre itself but the way they stick to signature formula in their songs) just that Lady Gaga had her re-invention earlier and is a worse vocalist.

[Andrenekoi]

well... in Mariah's defence, the best vocalists aren't on mainstream music anyway..
even cuz mainstream music is very image oriented and most of it's songs aren't as complicated as more traditional music pieces like operas and enka... even because those singers are trained to excel their singing without technological suports, as those more traditional styles were created as a way to make an artist being heard by an audience having only their voices to rely on, while in mainstream music even the most gifted vocalists ( mariah, celine, beyonce, aguilera, michael, etc) are always using technological enhancement in order to deliver a superhuman like espetacle.

also, the average music listener is more interested in emotion than skill, so, a flawed voice (like ayu, hikki, namie, koda, madonna, britney, rihanna, janet) that can deliver the right amount of emotion, sometimes even because of the flaws on the singing technoque, is better than a very skilled singer that delivers this emotion on a less popular and more erudit way when we talk about pop.

[Lady~Deviance]

I'm just going to chime in and say that music may appear to be too conventional due to an individuals' incessant exposure to music.

I personally never tire of 80's and early 90's music. That's the music scene I identified most with (yes I'm that old) and that is what I mostly immerse myself in.

But overall I just don't have the ear for current mainstream music, not because of its omnipresence but rather it just does not appeal to me.

Originally Posted by isthisLOL?

You made me laugh a lot, thank you
Especially the mention of her "5 octave range" like it's something noone but her ever achieved, considering the biggest part comes from her headvoice, falsetto and whistle register, things usually NOT COUNTED WHEN TALKING ABOUT VOCAL RANGE, I stopped paying attention. I have over 4 octaves(C2-D6) counting headvoice and falsetto(not even counting whistle register since I never worked on gaining that) and I'm a crappy singer.

I read lots of crap on AHS but your post deserves a special mention.
You know why (most) Ayumi fans don't go running around calling CAROLS or Days masterpieces and Ayumi's voice the best in the universe? Because those things would be almost as delusional as some of the stuff you said about Mariah.

Mariah is a very good vocalist(she is not and will never be "the best" though) with mostly generic and formular but not neccessarily bad songs. She doesn't stand out in Pop for being either great or horrible, but for being bland and having a discography full of 3 or 4 song formulas? Definitely. So I stand by my point, bringing her up in a discussion about music getting flat is a very bad example since her whole career included one(?) re-invention and aside that the same song with slight changes 3 billion times.
Actually, she's quite similar to Lady Gaga in some ways looking at her career and music(not the genre itself but the way they stick to signature formula in their songs) just that Lady Gaga had her re-invention earlier and is a worse vocalist.

Very obnoxious, aren't we?

Get that glass swan out before trying to post again.

[isthisLOL?]

Originally Posted by xLitax

Very obnoxious, aren't we?

Get that glass swan out before trying to post again.

You are the one that has yet to present a single argument so maybe you should learn to think before posting?
Also, WTF does "get that glass swan out" mean? Is that some kinda weird expression? Never heard it before.

Originally Posted by isthisLOL?

You are the one that has yet to present a single argument so maybe you should learn to think before posting?
Also, WTF does "get that glass swan out" mean? Is that some kinda weird expression? Never heard it before.

An argument? LMAO Boy, do you take this forum seriously. I believe I said generic does not mean similar, which is the basis for your... "argument". Nothing else is worth talking about, since you are very juvenile.

And it's called Google.

[Andrenekoi]

No need to be so rude x,x

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

No need to be so rude x,x

Thank you, Saint. I'll take that into consideration.

[koumori]

Yawn. If you can't discuss this maturely, just stop posting. As amusing as this is, it's off-topic and proof some people need to stop taking other people's posts so seriously.