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Old 17th February 2012, 06:27 PM
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Oh well, if you put it in that way it's creepy.
Thank you anyway, Ray_Jason for explaining me.

I suppose the official painting is from 17 or 18th century (During the 'Enlightenment or the Age of Reason'). So that means: we should look who has been a royalty in that time, tracking all those noble ladies and we will get our answer. Elisabeth Bathory was from early 1600, but already ruled in 1500. It could be a descendant of hers. But still, I think the painting is from the Western side of Europe.
Hey, I do not know this exactly; i try to think with you.


EDIT: Sorry, thought wrong. It must be from a century earlier. 16th or 17th because in the 18th the Barok got introduced and this lady is wearing everything except barok.
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Old 17th February 2012, 06:41 PM
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I googled & I think it's Mary Stuart

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Old 17th February 2012, 06:43 PM
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^ Yes I was just going to edit my post until I saw yours.

I think that Mary Stuart fits the lady in the painting. From several nobles ladies I have googled, Mary Stuart is the only one who has lots of common with the lady on the picture.
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Old 17th February 2012, 06:46 PM
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that makes sense, knowing she was a kind of rebellious powerful but then she became an exile and was killed by her own family & betrayed
Ayu & loneliness used to go hand in hand together, lol

P.S. Mary Stuart was always very tall and there Ayu's climbing a ladder, hmm know what I mean?

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Old 17th February 2012, 07:20 PM
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I'll assume you are talking about Mary Queen of Scots? which i don't think that is her...
THe picture isn't right..

Do we know if this is a reproduction of a real picture of just something that Ayumi borrowed and made into her own?
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Old 17th February 2012, 07:29 PM
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Don't look alike: Nose and face shape are different.

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Old 18th February 2012, 04:35 AM
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Why don't we just ask Ayu on twitter if she knows?
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Old 18th February 2012, 06:36 AM
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It might be a better idea to ask Leslie.
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Old 18th February 2012, 06:37 AM
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Old 18th February 2012, 02:28 PM
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It's a shame the song isn't as beautiful as the cover
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Old 18th February 2012, 03:23 PM
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Lord just what we need, asking him and he saying its just a mystery... I hate that.. lol
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Old 18th February 2012, 03:51 PM
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It's more a legend than actual facts, but still, legends don't come out of nowhere.... A painting of a murderer on an Ayu cover, it's still very creepy.
well at least it would go nicelly with "how beautiful you are" phrase, since she was obsesed with the youth.. >D
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Old 18th February 2012, 06:47 PM
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I think Mary Stuart looks similar

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Old 18th February 2012, 07:00 PM
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Like Queen Elizabeth, Mary Stuart is usually(or at least often) drawn ginger while the painting on the cover has darker hair. However Mary Stuart's hair colour is closer to it than Queen Elizabeth's, even if Queen Elizabeth is closer to the clothing style in most of her portraits.
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There is also the theory that Elisabeth Báthory was a victim of a political motivate intrigue of Habsburg and that she never commited those crimes.
Absolutely agree. I love psychology and from the biographies i've read about Elizabeth her description doesn't sound very plausible for me.on the other hand,somewhere else i read she was trying to help one of her cousins to get the throne in Hungary and that's why she was accused. I think it was negative propaganda the only one that remained,just like the propaganda for count (Vlad) Dracula.

Anyway, asking ayu who's the woman would finally clear our doubts about the "mistery" lady lol
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Old 18th February 2012, 11:48 PM
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Do you guys see that thing in her hair? Isn't that a kanzashi of some sort? Could she be of japanese origin, but dressed up like 15th/16th century nobility? I've never heard of such a thing, but Idk. It might be possible. Just saying

I've never seen this portrait in my life before and I've seen tons (had a history crazy, or well, had. It's lasted from I was around 6 until now, hehe).
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Do you guys see that thing in her hair? Isn't that a kanzashi of some sort? Could she be of japanese origin, but dressed up like 15th/16th century nobility? I've never heard of such a thing, but Idk. It might be possible. Just saying
I don't think so. And if she is, then they accidentally painted her caucasian...
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Old 19th February 2012, 01:46 AM
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I don't think so. And if she is, then they accidentally painted her caucasian...
LOL! It does seem kind of unlikely. Painters from back then tended to "cheat" a bit with their art sometimes though. Idk. Never heard of something like that before, so I don't really believe it. Just a random thought.

I want to know so bad who she is, argh! It's frustrating!
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Old 19th February 2012, 01:55 AM
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you don't know... you don't know... HOW BEAUTIFUL YOU ARE~
I liked it at first but then disliked it and now I like it again.
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Old 19th February 2012, 03:47 AM
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The discussion about hbya cover is really interesting. I'd really like to know who's the woman in the paiting too . And if all of these hidden meanings are true, well.. they make the cover even more beatiful imo .
We really should ask to Leslie lol.
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