Leslie Kee SUPER...

[susiowong]

Originally Posted by emi♡

I'm only going to really comment on this because I think Leslie's work involves some kink themes...but first of all, it's quite difficult for people who aren't into these things to understand them and be tolerant to begin with, let alone see them as "art".

But it does remain that, these sorts of things do occur, and heavily, with humans. Of course some of those things are illegal, so I won't go into that, but when it comes to being tolerant, it's important to remember that there's a reason why these things exist. They do mean something to someone, somewhere. And to them, a graphic picture of some kinky act, for example, could be a part of who they are and incredibly important to them.

If it's an expression of who they are, and it's extremely pornographic, how is that any different from any other piece of art that is an expression of someone else's humanity?

Fair enough. I propose that pornography is then a type of art. Well, crudely-done art that has to make its point with a sledgehammer, that is. I'm thinking of B-list porn, of course, not Leslie's, though I contend he's making some bold statements with his art.

[TeamAyu2004]

this is such a old age question.
You cant define art so in such, everything can BE art.
Or the fact that the majority of society defines what art is.

I dont think the majority of society views porn as art, so it is not art.
What Leslie does is art, but he also does 'porn.' (of course im just referring to his Super book with the gay guy. some of that is just down right porn.)
But nudity does not = porn. There is a line in that.

[Didz-19]

whatever guys...art or porn...if anybody would like to upload the HQ scans, I would like to have it~

[clover_bali]

Leslie Kee photobook-'SUPER TAKU' preview

Spoiler:

http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/super-taku
http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/super-t...ore=1326871448
http://thinkcount.blogspot.com/2012/...e91904425661bc

very very vulgar!

i hope 'SUPER AYU' like this too, LOL~

[Bigtop]

^Those pictures really make us wonder how that original Super Ayu would look like...full nudity? Uh oh...Be prepared if we ever see anything like this...

(By the way, how do Japan view in terms of adult content?)

[isthisLOL?]

That's a disappointingly small **** right there...shame, with that body...
Nice photography, some poses and angles look off, but that's probably because it's no scans.

[emi♡]

Originally Posted by isthisLOL?

That's a disappointingly small **** right there...shame, with that body...
Nice photography, some poses and angles look off, but that's probably because it's no scans.

well he IS...what he is Maybe he's a grower, not a shower.

Anyways. I kind of like that guy...but I think...well idk if I said this, but I don't really care for Leslie's...vision...of.... masculinity...I guess lol

Who was that guy though, was he related to Ayu in some way? He's not a dancer right.


And cool, one for Maro.

[isthisLOL?]

Originally Posted by emi♡

well he IS...what he is Maybe he's a grower, not a shower.

That would work...if there weren't hard pics in there Asians are only 2cm smaller than Europeans on average in that department, one can hope for something better xD

Interested in the Maro one. Always liked that guy...and there seem to be at least hidden-nude shots in there.

[blackmage]

Originally Posted by Bigtop

^Those pictures really make us wonder how that original Super Ayu would look like...full nudity? Uh oh...Be prepared if we ever see anything like this...

I really doubt Ayu would show off her goods to the public let alone her fans..

Originally Posted by isthisLOL?

That's a disappointingly small **** right there...shame, with that body...

Size queen much?

[isthisLOL?]

Originally Posted by blackmage

Size queen much?

So what? If somebody has professional, hard nudes taken and released it's only natural to comment on that aspect of shortcoming amongst the beauty that is the rest

Originally Posted by isthisLOL?

So what? If somebody has professional, hard nudes taken and released it's only natural to comment on that aspect of shortcoming amongst the beauty that is the rest

Honestly. LOL

I love how in the second link it's only slightly blurred and shaped still like a schlong. I didn't see the point of the blurs.

[Bigtop]

Originally Posted by blackmage

I really doubt Ayu would show off her goods to the public let alone her fans..

Originally Posted by ExodusUK

I'm sure if there was nudity in Super Ayu it would have already been all over 2ch and the internet by now.

If this ever happens, then it would be quite a controversial scandal! (Just wondering)

[clover_bali]

'SUPER MAROKA'

[ExodusUK]

I'm sure if there was nudity in Super Ayu it would have already been all over 2ch and the internet by now.

[TeamAyu2004]

^ your are right, lol.. he did all the touching... lol.
But in all seriousness. Art is defined by the times. Some of the stuff Leslie does I considered art, other stuff I think he does because he likes it. If he wants to call it art, so be it.

[Kanzaki]

Funny thing about art is you can't say "this isn't art!" because it's either too much this, or that. If it kicks your emotions in the balls, it's art. If it makes you think or feel, it's art. You don't have to like it

But dear lord, those pictures. Hnghngnhgnghgghhhhng. I approve.

[saigodansu]

It's not threatened by sexuality it's disgusted by perverts. The more morality breaks down to support the views expressed by perverts the more lives we see flushed down the toilet in this world. Usually the lives getting destroyed the most are kids who deserve the same chances some of us had to grow up having a childhood, not walk down the street in one of the many cities that sells porn out of a metal box like its a newspaper and lose the innocence of being a child because some stupid polititians decided to appease someone else by changing laws that should still be there.

[isthisLOL?]

Originally Posted by saigodansu

It's not threatened by sexuality it's disgusted by perverts. The more morality breaks down to support the views expressed by perverts the more lives we see flushed down the toilet in this world. Usually the lives getting destroyed the most are kids who deserve the same chances some of us had to grow up having a childhood, not walk down the street in one of the many cities that sells porn out of a metal box like its a newspaper and lose the innocence of being a child because some stupid polititians decided to appease someone else by changing laws that should still be there.

Do you have proof(in the form of scientific, undisputed studies), backing any of your points?

So you have
- a loosely defined "perverts"
- morality "breaking down" in support of those "perverts" - who are they?
- lives getting "flushed down the toilet" because "morality breaks down" - could you get more specific?
- kids not being able to "have a childhood" - I'd like to see studies regarding this. I'd argue that society's repression of sexuality is more hurtful than those "perverts" you speak of. It is scientific fact that children enjoy sexual play(I am NOT talking about something involving adults, I am talking about an exploration of sexuality that involves only children, without even adults watching), it's sometimes even considered vital for their upbringing - but sexual play amongst children is severely repressed in modern society. Just look at age of consent laws! Having your first sexual encounters when you are over 14, 16 or even 18 is a ridiculous law, as that is already long after puberty begins and you may have already developed a negative connotation to sex by then.
- children "loosing innocence" - I'd argue that children are anything but innocent. all humans, from birth, are highly sexual beings and children cannot yet repress any of their urges willfully.

[saigodansu]

I'm not writing a science book, I'm stating the problems many people have with pornography being viewed as art. There are reasons it's called pornography and not called art.

And if you people keep asking for a source for every sentence someone replies with you are going to needlessly fill threads. Why don't you try giving your own statement and let others freely make theirs. This is a public forum that is kind of what they are for. Not to run to your friends who were given moderator positions they don't deserve so they can help you to blacklist everyone who doesn't share your opinion. If you want to alk on a forum allow it to operate like one where we can all speak freely.

[isthisLOL?]

Originally Posted by saigodansu

I'm not writing a science book, I'm stating the problems many people have with pornography being viewed as art. There are reasons it's called pornography and not called art.

And if you people keep asking for a source for every sentence someone replies with you are going to needlessly fill threads. Why don't you try giving your own statement and let others freely make theirs. This is a public forum that is kind of what they are for. Not to run to your friends who were given moderator positions they don't deserve so they can help you to blacklist everyone who doesn't share your opinion. If you want to alk on a forum allow it to operate like one where we can all speak freely.

So I am assuming you have no sources for any of your statements and are not willing to discuss your position because you realize you cannot defend it?

You talk about children losing their innocence, lives being flushed down the toilet, morality breaking down and "perverts" - those are some serious accusations to society as a whole - and when somebody questions what you say you reply in a manner disregarding everything that was said.
BTW, I have no friends in moderator positions. I don't like the way this forum is moderated, I prefer more liberal moderation that merely deletes spam and cleans up old or unneeded topics, but lets people discuss freely. Since this is a discussion forum (not a "share your opinion and then don't enable a discussion of them" forum).

Are you even familiar with Freud's and Kinsey's research related to child sexuality or do you just pull every single thing you say out of your arse?