Ayu's social networks - Discussion #51

[RealLight]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

If she did a few songs, perhaps. But her post was about how she performed a new song from the album for the first time.

I wonder if they talked about any album details!

Any idea of when it's going to air?

[Chibi-Chan]

Originally Posted by orbitalaspect

You guys are going to hate me for saying this, but... And I don't mean this in a cruel way...

Ayu looks like that mom that dresses up for everything because it hasn't quite sunk in that her jeans aren't the trendy ones, they're actually the new "mom jeans"... like she's slowly transitioned to buying QVC jewelry and no one's saying anything because she's sensitive about not being the "sexy little thing" she's always been.

I have to say I agree. She's trying so hard to look sexy in every damn pic that often she reminds me of my mother trying to immitate my sister. I would really like to see a pic where she's just being herself and not trying so hard to be the hottest thing in the universe, because most of the times it just makes me roll my eyes.

[hayasaki]

^although I agree. i also wonder what it really is that kind of look/attire that shows her just being herself?

[Louass]

I haven’t posted in a while cause a lot of the comments here are so negative that it’s frankly a downer and don’t make me want to participate in conversations (I’m just here waiting for news about music), but I just had to say something bout this.

What’s wrong with her wanting to look good? It’s obvious she’s into fashion, and a lot of the time she fuckin works it. This poor woman can’t make the music she wants without y’all complaining, can’t keep performing like she loves to do without people talking shit, and now she can’t even wear the clothes she wants without y’all saying she’s like an old lady trying to stay cool? Lol. Let her be herself and do what she wants, jfc. Some of you should really consider moving on from Ayu is you disagree with everything she does.

[EndOfTheWorld]

^It's nice to see you back.
I personally don't think Ayu looks like a women trying to be young. I think Ayu will always be a youthful person, it's just who she is. I sometimes don't like her fashion and sometimes an outfit or costume may be unflattering but I don't get mid-life crisis vibes. The worst look will always be her appearance on Konya Kurabete Mimashita.

[love in music]

Originally Posted by Louass

I haven’t posted in a while cause a lot of the comments here are so negative that it’s frankly a downer and don’t make me want to participate in conversations (I’m just here waiting for news about music), but I just had to say something bout this.

What’s wrong with her wanting to look good? It’s obvious she’s into fashion, and a lot of the time she fuckin works it. This poor woman can’t make the music she wants without y’all complaining, can’t keep performing like she loves to do without people talking shit, and now she can’t even wear the clothes she wants without y’all saying she’s like an old lady trying to stay cool? Lol. Let her be herself and do what she wants, jfc. Some of you should really consider moving on from Ayu is you disagree with everything she does.

Yeah honestly, I think as fans we should accept this is her. She likes dressing up and she likes fancy things. She may be relatable and down to earth in some ways but she's also superficial in others. She may be uncool in some ways but she's a badass woman in other ways. It's just who she is/has been for a long time now. I used to want her to be a certain way but realized that's super controlling and immature and had to check myself and think some fans should too..

Just like everyone else on the planet, ayu is not perfect, but she's an amazing person and should be shown more love and less hate/judgment, especially by her fans.

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by EndOfTheWorld

^It's nice to see you back.
I personally don't think Ayu looks like a women trying to be young. I think Ayu will always be a youthful person, it's just who she is. I sometimes don't like her fashion and sometimes an outfit or costume may be unflattering but I don't get mid-life crisis vibes. The worst look will always be her appearance on Konya Kurabete Mimashita.

Sometimes I think she gets a bit pose-y but most people get like that with selfies IMO. She looks so good in the shot with the comedian though! I don't get how people see "trying too hard" there.

[Evan Odinson]

Don't see how she is "trying too hard", most of her posts on social media are just regular selfies, besides she looks really young for her age and her looks are a part of it. She IS a good looking and sexy woman so I don't see the problem with what she's wearing. I don't see Britney or Beyonce fans complaining when they upload half naked pictures but let's judge Ayu over a couple of pictures showing her legs in a short dress or wearing ripped jeans lol if you ask me she looks great with her "cool mom" look

@Louass It's good to see you around here again, and I agree with you!

[Bigtop]

Originally Posted by tokyoxjapanxfan

Seems she recorded a performance of a new song from the album for a tv show.

I’m guessing Ongaku no Hi?

I guess FNS is possible but I think that’s usually live?

Not Ongaku no Hi, that's TBS and she wasn't listed in the artist list (as of now). More likely FNS, but we've seen some segments pre-recorded (e.g. Ayu).

[EndOfTheWorld]

I think Ayu being young at heart has been a common theme through her art and also her interviews. I think her personal style is modern and trendy and sometimes she takes a fashion risk every once and a while that may not work but it's okay. And so true about other celebrities. Other female celebrities don't even wear clothes anymore and they get praised.

[orbitalaspect]

Originally Posted by Louass

I haven’t posted in a while cause a lot of the comments here are so negative that it’s frankly a downer and don’t make me want to participate in conversations (I’m just here waiting for news about music), but I just had to say something bout this.

What’s wrong with her wanting to look good? It’s obvious she’s into fashion, and a lot of the time she fuckin works it. This poor woman can’t make the music she wants without y’all complaining, can’t keep performing like she loves to do without people talking shit, and now she can’t even wear the clothes she wants without y’all saying she’s like an old lady trying to stay cool? Lol. Let her be herself and do what she wants, jfc. Some of you should really consider moving on from Ayu is you disagree with everything she does.

Originally Posted by love in music

Yeah honestly, I think as fans we should accept this is her. She likes dressing up and she likes fancy things. She may be relatable and down to earth in some ways but she's also superficial in others. She may be uncool in some ways but she's a badass woman in other ways. It's just who she is/has been for a long time now. I used to want her to be a certain way but realized that's super controlling and immature and had to check myself and think some fans should too..

Just like everyone else on the planet, ayu is not perfect, but she's an amazing person and should be shown more love and less hate/judgment, especially by her fans.

I can appreciate people disagreeing or having an opinion on my comment about my opinion of Ayu's particular style over the last handful of months, but it's pretty immature to extrapolate that as though any similar comment, put in a way you think isn't funny, means we're hating or judging or shoving Ayu in a box or calling her names.

For all the talk about not being "super controlling" and "immature", these outbursts start with you, not with me. And you're upset because you want me to not post things you don't want me to post. I can't imagine anything more "super controlling" than losing your temper at someone because they shared something in an open space that you believe should restrict people from sharing things you'd prefer not to see.

I've posted some pretty abrasive, pretty brass-tax things, but even with this post (which is SUPER mild from me), I even clarify, "I know you guys will hate me for saying this." I'm well aware that at least one of you is going "to have to say something." Because like the scorpion that stung the duck as it carried it across the river: it's just what you do. I cannot, for the life of me, understand people who believe they're entitled to burst outward at complete strangers if they communicate in shared space outside of some arbitrary scope of (a) acceptable or appropriate things to talk about, and (b) acceptable or appropriate ways of talking about those things.

I'm totally fine with you wanting to keep an entire thread you've poured time into building or participating in, where it's clear that people can only share positive talk about Ayu. That's fine. But you're here, in a forum where almost every topic is a back and forth of supporting and disagreeing opinions on someone else's supporting or disagreeing opinion of Ayu. 90% of the things not posted in this specific thread are scandalous or gossip or "Ayu's new album debuts at #2, proves Ayu doesn't have fans." That's just what you should expect around here.

I want you guys to participate too. But I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I speak for a lot of people when I say that I also want that participation to be a part of the actual conversation. If you think I'm putting down Ayu because of her age then of course share that. But no one invited the character-shaming ("you're a hater/judgmental") or the long-winded tangents around how we never have anything agreeable to say about Ayu... as if none of us were or are true fans? -- like because I think Ayu's style makes her appear much older than she is, I've just shown up here for 12 years to prepare to troll you true ayu-stans who really know Hamasaki Ayumi? To be fair, the majority of you can't speak to much of anything about the very unique impact everything Ayu wore, said, did, etc. had on the entire Japanese music/fashion/entertainment/social/cultural scenes prior to Party Queen. Without sounding rude, I'm just not convinced that you have some depth as a fan that those of us who have been around for 15+ years somehow never got in touch with, or somehow we just let go all those years ago...?

I'm going to end my comments about this with saying I appreciate you showing up, I just wish you would have both done something meaningful with it. If the only reason you're posting is because some other post triggers you to "speak up" -- which is really just pushing and shoving a person who posted because you think it's justifiably OK -- you're not bringing anything to the table about the content/context of their opinion.

You can keep this up, but every single time somebody breaks one of your arbitrary limits on acceptable behavior, you guys literally bully and gang up on people. And the pattern is everywhere: Multiple people end up posting the exact same post, that they also think the person who posted is negative/a hater/judgmental/angry/abusive/cruel/racist/misogynist/fatphobic/was never a fan... and on and on and on...

Imagine if you showed up somewhere and said something, and suddenly one or two or five people just started talking right in front of you, clear as day, about how you're negative/a hater/misogynist/judgmental, that if you really belonged here, you'd be positive, like them, and how "people should just be positive and stop tearing others down... because that just means they don't love their self." How would you feel if that entire conversation took over and it was the only conversation people decided to have for awhile?

It doesn't matter who you think I am, or why you think I posted my opinion. What matters is how you participate here. If your participation is just rallying people to point at one person and suggest that they have some character flaw that makes them unfit to be here, you are in the least not adding anything to the conversation, and at the worst you are bullying someone.

Anyway, my point about Ayu is that her style choice lately looks lazy compared to last year or the year before. I'm all for the comfort look, but I'm surprised there's not more planning than this behind the outfit she's wearing to the first listen of new music in over 2 years. She's historically had more consideration given to the outfits she wears walking out of an airport. This whole outfit feels like something she just snatched quickly out of the closet and ran to the studio. Also, it's honestly baggy and shapeless. She looks like she's wearing a size or two too big or like a "big and tall" cut for that dress. It just doesn't sit right to me. Oh well, another thing to get used to. I just hope by album #20, she's at least throwing on a 2-day-old pair of jeans and throwing her hair in a quick bun before going on tour.

[ayumi_croatia]

Y'all need to stop shaming people for expressing their opinions. You're not a better Ayu fans just beacuse you think her s*** don't stink.

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by orbitalaspect

You guys are going to hate me for saying this, but... And I don't mean this in a cruel way...

Ayu looks like that mom that dresses up for everything because it hasn't quite sunk in that her jeans aren't the trendy ones, they're actually the new "mom jeans"... like she's slowly transitioned to buying QVC jewelry and no one's saying anything because she's sensitive about not being the "sexy little thing" she's always been.

It's either that or you have poor taste in clothing/fashion and can't recognize her brilliance Also I've never considered her a "sexy little thing" nor has she ever went for that look as far as I'm aware...

[love in music]

Originally Posted by orbitalaspect

I can appreciate people disagreeing or having an opinion on my comment about my opinion of Ayu's particular style over the last handful of months, but it's pretty immature to extrapolate that as though any similar comment, put in a way you think isn't funny, means we're hating or judging or shoving Ayu in a box or calling her names.

For all the talk about not being "super controlling" and "immature", these outbursts start with you, not with me. And you're upset because you want me to not post things you don't want me to post. I can't imagine anything more "super controlling" than losing your temper at someone because they shared something in an open space that you believe should restrict people from sharing things you'd prefer not to see.

I've posted some pretty abrasive, pretty brass-tax things, but even with this post (which is SUPER mild from me), I even clarify, "I know you guys will hate me for saying this." I'm well aware that at least one of you is going "to have to say something." Because like the scorpion that stung the duck as it carried it across the river: it's just what you do. I cannot, for the life of me, understand people who believe they're entitled to burst outward at complete strangers if they communicate in shared space outside of some arbitrary scope of (a) acceptable or appropriate things to talk about, and (b) acceptable or appropriate ways of talking about those things.

I'm totally fine with you wanting to keep an entire thread you've poured time into building or participating in, where it's clear that people can only share positive talk about Ayu. That's fine. But you're here, in a forum where almost every topic is a back and forth of supporting and disagreeing opinions on someone else's supporting or disagreeing opinion of Ayu. 90% of the things not posted in this specific thread are scandalous or gossip or "Ayu's new album debuts at #2, proves Ayu doesn't have fans." That's just what you should expect around here.

I want you guys to participate too. But I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I speak for a lot of people when I say that I also want that participation to be a part of the actual conversation. If you think I'm putting down Ayu because of her age then of course share that. But no one invited the character-shaming ("you're a hater/judgmental") or the long-winded tangents around how we never have anything agreeable to say about Ayu... as if none of us were or are true fans? -- like because I think Ayu's style makes her appear much older than she is, I've just shown up here for 12 years to prepare to troll you true ayu-stans who really know Hamasaki Ayumi? To be fair, the majority of you can't speak to much of anything about the very unique impact everything Ayu wore, said, did, etc. had on the entire Japanese music/fashion/entertainment/social/cultural scenes prior to Party Queen. Without sounding rude, I'm just not convinced that you have some depth as a fan that those of us who have been around for 15+ years somehow never got in touch with, or somehow we just let go all those years ago...?

I'm going to end my comments about this with saying I appreciate you showing up, I just wish you would have both done something meaningful with it. If the only reason you're posting is because some other post triggers you to "speak up" -- which is really just pushing and shoving a person who posted because you think it's justifiably OK -- you're not bringing anything to the table about the content/context of their opinion.

You can keep this up, but every single time somebody breaks one of your arbitrary limits on acceptable behavior, you guys literally bully and gang up on people. And the pattern is everywhere: Multiple people end up posting the exact same post, that they also think the person who posted is negative/a hater/judgmental/angry/abusive/cruel/racist/misogynist/fatphobic/was never a fan... and on and on and on...

Imagine if you showed up somewhere and said something, and suddenly one or two or five people just started talking right in front of you, clear as day, about how you're negative/a hater/misogynist/judgmental, that if you really belonged here, you'd be positive, like them, and how "people should just be positive and stop tearing others down... because that just means they don't love their self." How would you feel if that entire conversation took over and it was the only conversation people decided to have for awhile?

It doesn't matter who you think I am, or why you think I posted my opinion. What matters is how you participate here. If your participation is just rallying people to point at one person and suggest that they have some character flaw that makes them unfit to be here, you are in the least not adding anything to the conversation, and at the worst you are bullying someone.

Anyway, my point about Ayu is that her style choice lately looks lazy compared to last year or the year before. I'm all for the comfort look, but I'm surprised there's not more planning than this behind the outfit she's wearing to the first listen of new music in over 2 years. She's historically had more consideration given to the outfits she wears walking out of an airport. This whole outfit feels like something she just snatched quickly out of the closet and ran to the studio. Also, it's honestly baggy and shapeless. She looks like she's wearing a size or two too big or like a "big and tall" cut for that dress. It just doesn't sit right to me. Oh well, another thing to get used to. I just hope by album #20, she's at least throwing on a 2-day-old pair of jeans and throwing her hair in a quick bun before going on tour.

I can't believe how personally you are taking things and I also can't believe I took the time to read all of that.

It's funny because I wasn't even angry at you? I'm not angry at anyone here, just want some more positivity in the ayu fandom and want others to accept her for who she is instead of wishing she was some other way but I'm not demanding it or trying to force people to and I'm certainly not bullying anyone lol, people can and will do/say what they want

[EndOfTheWorld]

^^^^I don't want to make this thread go off topic but. Soooo true. You totally dismantled that kind of behavior that goes on here sometimes.

[Yoake]

Hey guys, everyone is entitled to express his/her opinion as long as it is said in a constructive and civil way. Don’t bring this subject up once again.

[Zeke.]

Originally Posted by orbitalaspect

You guys are going to hate me for saying this, but... And I don't mean this in a cruel way...

Ayu looks like that mom that dresses up for everything because it hasn't quite sunk in that her jeans aren't the trendy ones, they're actually the new "mom jeans"... like she's slowly transitioned to buying QVC jewelry and no one's saying anything because she's sensitive about not being the "sexy little thing" she's always been.

I am fucking dying at this read, haha.

Originally Posted by orbitalaspect

I just hope by album #20, she's at least throwing on a 2-day-old pair of jeans and throwing her hair in a quick bun before going on tour.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Chibi-Chan]

Originally Posted by hayasaki

^although I agree. i also wonder what it really is that kind of look/attire that shows her just being herself?

I would like to see her making a normal face, smiling like she would with no camera around. She's posing way too much for my taste in her pics. They look more like a fashion shot.
I really like to follow Britney on social media, for example. Because Britney shares a lot of videos/pics that aren't perfect, on which she looks normal or sometimes she's just making a goofy face and kidding around.
I don't need to see Ayu in her 12625361626162627 "sexy" outfit posing like a fashion model. Not to mention that lately it looks as if she's trying waaaaay too hard for my taste, as if she's trying to prove something, so that her pics are a little emberrassing to look at for me.
I don't need to see a perfect pic of sexy Ayu trying to look as hot as possible, that's boring. I want to see an Ayu who isn't afraid to show her real face without duck face and 27 different filters.

[koumori]

I think this is the way she prefers her photos to be. I'm glad she's still sharing stuff on social media and honestly, it's up to her what image she projects to the world.

I think it's a lot to ask for a celebrity to show the "real them" to everyone... I feel she has been putting more of a separation back between "Ayumi Hamasaki" and "Ayu" than she was a few years ago.

[Mr. Talkin2myself]

I really think she doesn’t look fake/plastic surgery in these pics. I like them and I am excited for the new song, too!