Koda Kumi facing "ripoff" problem??? - Page 4

Psychotic_X · #61 12th October 2006, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Huaka

What's this Otsuka Ai business? I didn't know she ripped off someone. Could I ask what songs she ripped off from?

Oh I found that site that compared her songs a few weeks ago..
It was umm.. SMILY and some other song and Sakuranbo with a number of songs...

http://bestizgm.cafe24.com/zboard/zb...5f4f538463d17c

http://pya.cc/pyaimg/pimg.php?%20imgid=3561

The Sakuranbo one is kinda like Kuu's... How its various music pieced together..
But the bad thing is... Ai wrote her music.. Kuu didn't so... hmmm...
But seriously... I doubt Avex would do something stupid to risk the success of this single...

truehappiness · #62 12th October 2006, 01:48 PM

Supposedly Sakuranbo and SMILY were copied from some old folk music/video game songs.

The song that 'Will' copied. :/
http://fish.kakiko.com/toutsukai/61.swf

Site of Ai Otsuka 'copies'. Click the bolded links and the left will have a flash with the 'songs'

http://fish.kakiko.com/toutsukai/

http://pya.cc/pyaimg/pimg.php?%20imgid=3561
Sakuranbo one. :x

Keishi · #63 12th October 2006, 01:52 PM

LOL! XD
Planetarium & Suteki da ne!! XD

Oh noes,...even my top fave Kingyo Hanabi. O_O

Psychotic_X · #64 12th October 2006, 01:57 PM

I just went to that site truehappiness went to..
I went to the SMILY one and like they had newspaper clippings and stuff in the background... x__X;;
And seeing as how big Kuu is, this could turn out badly...

UHPlus · #65 12th October 2006, 03:06 PM

OMG ! the ai otsuka's songs ripoff are .....!!! >_<

and she even credit herself for the composition ! ..... shameless !

Uemarasan · #66 12th October 2006, 03:27 PM

Thanks for the links, PsychoticX and truehappiness! Sakuranbo seems more similar to the first track than the second. It's very upsetting to find this out

I don't get the Will comparison... is it the Miyuki Nakajima song alone? It sounds very different from Will.

Edit: Oh, I found it. truehappiness, the link is another one on the site

Hmm, similar structures. But not an exact copy. I'll have to give it more of a listen. This is the proper link: http://fish.kakiko.com/toutsukai/63.swf

Some of the "ripoffs" on the site are ridiculous. The Kasou (Ai Otsuka)/Skirt (Chara) comparison is definitely tone-deaf.

Psychotic_X · #67 12th October 2006, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Uemarasan

Thanks for the links, PsychoticX and truehappiness

Sakuranbo seems more similar to the first track than the second. It's very upsetting to find this out

I don't get the Will comparison... is it the Miyuki Nakajima song alone? It sounds very different from Will.

Edit: Oh, I found it. truehappiness, the link is another one on the site

Hmm, similar structures. But not an exact copy. I'll have to give it more of a listen. This is the proper link: http://fish.kakiko.com/toutsukai/63.swf

Some of the "ripoffs" on the site are ridiculous. The Kasou (Ai Otsuka)/Skirt (Chara) comparison is definitely tone-deaf.

No worries..
Some of them are just stupid.. It's just some people are bored and find everything wrong with an artist and post it all up...
I found a site a few days ago where they compare how Kuu's PVs and lives are copies of other singers etc...
But some of them are blantly rip offs...

Mad_Cactuar · #68 12th October 2006, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Keishi

LOL! XD
Planetarium & Suteki da ne!! XD

No wonder it's so hard to remember the Planetarium song sometimes. I always mix "Ikitaiyo... futari te o tori" but I would NEVER EVER consider that a rip off or copy. It's like what? 5 notes?

Psychotic_X · #69 12th October 2006, 04:14 PM

^ About Planetarium..
When they talk about ripping off, the tend to look at the PV rather than the song.. The song isn't a rip off... Like you said its like 5 notes..
The PV looks similar to FF-X Suteki Da Ne PV....

http://blog.goo.ne.jp/horobiyo/e/6f7...1ed80c81715348

Keishi · #70 12th October 2006, 05:56 PM

LoL! XD
I didn't know that PLANETARIUM would have the same aspects that Suteki Da Ne have. XD

Uemarasan · #71 12th October 2006, 06:15 PM

Okay, I've tried listening to all the tracks on this site: http://fish.kakiko.com/toutsukai/

And the ones with very strong similarities to me are:

- Smily (vocals and melody)*
- Kingyo Hanabi (melody, rearranged)
- Neko ni Fuusen (vocals)
- Ishikawa Osaka Yuukoujouyaku (melody) - but isn't this more of a cover? Ai Otsuka does include the original song as a background.
- Planetarium compared to Shiawase ni Kumo no Ue ni - second to the last in the Ai Otsuka section (vocals)
- Will (melody of the Kiki's Delivery Service track becomes the vocal style in Ayu's song)
- Sakuranbo: http://pya.cc/pyaimg/pimg.php?%20imgid=3561

I'm very sure that Smily is not accidental. It's the only one I can't dispute. It's too much of a coincidence. Vocals, even the musical notation is the same! I even tried it on the piano.

This makes me very sad

But what's really surprising is that two Joe Hisaishi tracks are mentioned! (Kingyo Hanabi is from My Neighbor Totoro and Will is from Kiki's Delivery Service). Well, at least Ai and Ayu have very good taste.

Of course, maybe someone around here could prove me wrong?

Edit: I still wonder why the Koda Kumi youtube video is off limits? There wasn't anything risque. Are fans responsible?

Mirai Noah · #72 12th October 2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by *Petit*

No, I know for sure it was definetly not Reason. It's my favourite Nami song, it's one of her later singles.

Here's Reason.

It was Result. Take a listen.

I think it was conicidental too. It mostly is IMO.

Oops, I meant Result, I really did. I could picture the PV in my head and every thing, but I wrote Reason instead. *is stupid*

Kikaru · #73 13th October 2006, 06:25 AM

Well, there are a few I'm willing to give my benefit of doubt.

Will, because it's just two notes and being two notes it could just simply be a coincidence.
Kingyo Hanabi, because I think it's the overall feeling of the song with the my neighborhood totoro song is similar.
Strawberry Jam and the Laruku song. Because they just don't sound that similar.

However, SMILY just sounds wayyyyyy too similar to be a coincidence.

Also OT, does anyone have the Mr. Children song that's compared with PLANETARIUM? because I quite like that song?

Jayee19 · #74 13th October 2006, 06:28 AM

Well, if anyone wants to know, the first girl who sings in the "Yume no Uta" clip is Lyrico aka Harumi Tsuyuzaki. I wish I could find that freakin song (or at least the title). She sings so well!

Psychotic_X · #75 13th October 2006, 08:41 AM

^ Oh its
Tsuyuzaki Harumi - Mou Nido To
search it up under that name not Lyrico, because it was released under that name... I haven't found the song yet... ><""

starr5245 · #76 13th October 2006, 09:06 AM

ohhh, but if she sings it well, then there's no reason to object, I feel..

Uemarasan · #77 13th October 2006, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kikaru

Well, there are a few I'm willing to give my benefit of doubt.

Will, because it's just two notes and being two notes it could just simply be a coincidence.
Kingyo Hanabi, because I think it's the overall feeling of the song with the my neighborhood totoro song is similar.
Strawberry Jam and the Laruku song. Because they just don't sound that similar.

However, SMILY just sounds wayyyyyy too similar to be a coincidence.

Also OT, does anyone have the Mr. Children song that's compared with PLANETARIUM? because I quite like that song?

I agree. Some of them, I've given the benefit of doubt. Kingyo Hanabi is really more of the feel of the song rather than the composition itself. With Sakuranbo, I'm somewhat skeptical about the first track (the videogame track), but I do think the folk song definitely influenced Ai Otsuka.

But Will, I'm still thinking about it. The structure of Ayu's vocals and the Kiki's Delivery Service track is nearly identical. I can ignore the similarities of the hira-hira-hira/yura-yura-yureru lines, but the parts that follow (hanabira.../kokoro...) closely match the structure of the Kiki's Delivery Service BGM (change of key from low to high).

Then again, if there was a case of copying, I am sure it would have all over the news and there would have been a court trial. Hayao Miyazaki and Joe Hisaishi are very, very big in Japan (even more than Ayu), and the Japanese public would have surely noticed by now. The only explanation I can come up with is Ayu and DAI grew up watching Miyazaki animation (like the rest of Japan) and maybe the music just entered their subconscious and then expressed itself in Will

But with Smily, I have this feeling that it was a case of Avex bullying a smaller label and artist...

By the way, I didn't know that Lyrico sang the first song! Hmm. Well, if it means more exposure for Lyrico, then I'm glad