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Old 29th November 2008, 01:41 PM
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This may seem a little far fetched and random, but anyone noticed the birds in cages for this PV where she's restrained adn cannot get what she wants, while in MW the birds fly freely and in the end she's saved and walks away proudly as well..?
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Old 29th November 2008, 01:54 PM
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This may seem a little far fetched and random, but anyone noticed the birds in cages for this PV where she's restrained adn cannot get what she wants, while in MW the birds fly freely and in the end she's saved and walks away proudly as well..?
hmm maybe on this GREEN song, it talks more about her love life? that she's an artist but she can't freely love someone? or, on this song, she wants to let ppl know that she's willing to show her true-self?

and for MW, she talks more about ppl who always want to dig out everything about her life where she doesn't have space to move.. so she wishes to be in piece? she wants ppl to give her space??
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Old 29th November 2008, 01:37 PM
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I don't like the PV >.>;;

>< it's not very ...green LOL~ not the main point but eh~!
I don't like it D: it's bad imo ><
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Old 29th November 2008, 01:54 PM
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the music's not bad i like it haha but the when i see this dancing with this another woman..
somehow it juz makes me fee like


kinda lesbian-y~ =/


why did they choose a woman instead of the guy..wouldn't it be better lol?
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Old 29th November 2008, 04:39 PM
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thats true... so many big budgets pvs sent to nothing... honestly if this pv has messages then thats great, but when there are basically only three scenes with 3 differents actions going on i feel like im watching the same thing for so long '-___-
(ayu walking, ayu dancing, ayu daydreaming)
sigh but its ok, i like having something to watch the song with
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Old 29th November 2008, 08:52 PM
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^I didn't mean anything by it hun, I just thought it was funny


I think you're right about Ayu's lyrics, however, I think, sometimes maybe a mature Ayu is perhaps boring for some?

In her old lyrics, it seems like she was always some how unsure or looking for something, but now she most definitely more sure. And we see that a lot on her interviews and her blog posts, mag stuff. Ayu has matured in a way that to me is very special because a lot of people don't really get to "see the light" as she sees it. Ayu is sort of a different person for me now...and sometimes I'm not sure if people are able to connect with her lyrics as much anymore because they are so static.

I think Ayu's lyrics are still beautiful...but...I can connect with them. Maybe some people don't like them? Or the new Ayu. A lot of people see her just recycling stuff, and she does, but it's always different and tweaked. The reason why she does, is because it's important to her.

I think Hikki is a very deep lyricist. She just has different tastes. Hikki is very well read, and extremely smart when it comes to people I think, the difference between her lyrics and perhaps Ayu's is that, as they've grown, they've matured in different ways. Ayu has sort of matured through herself, and she still see's things very much for herself. Hikki I think has a knowledge that is more secular and she doesn't show the deepness inside herself because...well I think that part of her is very private. They sort of talk about the same things in different ways, and their lyrics alone make them extremely different artists, add in the music styles and you have two people who have figured out life and themselves in very different ways.


You know as I think about your comparison to Sylvia Plath a bit more...before i thought it was just funny...although extreme...I think it's just another product of how well Ayu knows herself, and maybe doesn't know everything...but Ayu...is quite the interesting character. And not just for her career lol
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Old 29th November 2008, 09:02 PM
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^I'm too lazy to quote everything, but I totally agree with you.

Actually I wonder if that's the reason why she might be losing her younger audience. Her lyrics, at least for me, speaks of someone who does know where she is at her life and is fairly content. And at least in my personal experience the younger audience tends to lean more towards the unsure in life category.

Personally I connect better with her newer lyrics, but two years ago I was saying that Powdered Snow's lyrics basically described me. /OT tangent
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I like it and I don't like it! It's missing something in the beginning... BUT!!! HOWEVER, it has a good climax and it ended well! It was defentaly better than Mirrorcle World! I'd give it... 9/10!
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Is Japan a only lyrical based land? I don´t buy german music just because I like the lyrics...and I dare to do that on american music...it does happen...but only in a very few cases
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Is Japan a only lyrical based land? I don´t buy german music just because I like the lyrics...and I dare to do that on american music...it does happen...but only in a very few cases
I dont think so...

i dont listen to kuu because of her lyrics...but then that could go either way...they just might lol
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Old 30th November 2008, 03:13 AM
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i love Ayu's recent lyrics, since GUILTY album, i can feel that Ayu has tried to really show her true self, her lyrics are mostly very honest about what she feels... i kinda think that Ayu has been trying to open up herself to all of us to understand more about her ... unlike long long before, where mostly all her lyrics were kind hard to understand, it's like she was keeping something just for herself and didn't want to let ppl know what exactly she was thinking..she was just still afraid to show ppl what was her true-self?

lots of twisted lyrics she did long ago.. but that was what made interest to her though... since she played around with the words and made ppl wonder what was she thinking exactly.. ..not that i said we really understand 100% what she means in the recent lyrics, but at least, we can easily understand like 80-90% of the lyrics?
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Old 1st December 2008, 07:48 AM
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Whoa..suddenly this whole talk about lyrics in a PV discussion but...What u said, I feel, is very true as well. It's amazing in ten years how we all see her maturity and We as her fans grow with her...
I think that's one of the greatest satisfaction an artiste could ever get...

I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING U ALL SAID haha...very nicely put about her recent stuff....
I like them a lot too....
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GREEN means FRESH? so she wants to be fresher?
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Old 2nd December 2008, 01:37 AM
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No the color green represents rejuvenation or rebirth. When you think about the title, song, and the music video all go together quite well. Please for a moment forget about the horrible music video and think about the message that the dancing scene represents when Ayu is dancing she is reborn because she is not repressing herself. Frankly, this song is not meant only for homosexuals this song is meant to show that she has been reborn, think about what she herself has went through and then apply the lyrics to her life. People in a few earlier posts have mentioned that her lyrics have matured, yes they have because she has as a person. Think about it like this strip away Ayu's money and fame and she just wants to show people that she is a person not a glamorous superstar, who people think is fake because she wears Dior gowns and likes 600 dollar pumps. Even the single cover is interesting because Ayu's eyes make her look dead however she is surronded by light pink roses, which in asian cultures and in Greek mythology, represent death yet in modern Western cultures they are used to represent love, admiration, or respect. Maybe she is attempting to say that her older self, or her self or the feelings she felt have died. The song reminds me of the GUILTY cover, it looks nice yet no one comments on the fact that it appears that Ayu is walking out of a cave in the desert and she is blinded by the sunlight, the truth, what I find interesting is that someone who is not willing to express their guilt would have kept her in the cave or would have kept her safe in the cloak of nightfall. Honestly, I would not personally listen to her music anymore if all of her music videos were obviously about hope, thats why I like her recent music because it makes me think because her points are not obvious.Yet what shocked me the most was that no one even mentioned, especially with this being Ayu's tenth anniversity, that her dancing is somewhat similiar to rainbow and the cover to A BALLADS because they all depict Ayu being healed in some way, or you could say that they all represent her love for another woman. because this person helped become the person she is now. I say that the dance scene, the cover to A BALLADS, and rainbow are all similiar because they could all be easily misinterpeted if you have no prior knowledge of Ayu.

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for me it all was like meh

I didn't get the feeling of it nor the plot

Ayu acting was just weirdo unnatural & scary

the PV just spoiled the song, imho

too much like MW, a PV which makes you feel as if it has been made by a left leg of nobody-knows-what-to-good-for-director
it makes us more & more convinced that Ayu's shedule is too tough to concentrate a great deal on PVs & such, but these things simply make the artist

I don't understand

no offense, but it simply sucks

I mean, music is okay, covers nice, why spoil this all anyway?

just a waste of time & money

that just freaked me out. I'm dissapointed

vague plot, but cool decor - this all leaves only cheap & blank impression


I know I may be wrong all the way


earlier Ayu had PVs with real meaning & somehow we didn't find it hard to discover

why don't you think that now she simply makes PVs for us, for fans?
and they can be without any hidden meaning at all

why everybody keeps thinking it has smth when it's 80% that it actually doesn't?

don't you think that this director simply can't make PVs?
Personally I don't like her music videos that are easy to figure out. Thats why I cherish music videos like forgiveness, rainbow, fated, together when, marionnette, and etc. Even though I love the song endless sorrrow, I do not like how the music video obviously shows the audience the song is about hope. Also most of Ayu's music videos have hidden meanings that is how she makes her videos for her fans. This is why most fans think her videos have some substance. Who knows maybe this director can't make PVs, but like anything she does this will all be left to individual fans interpertation. Frankly, I have gotten to the point to if I can find a hidden meaning in her music video, then I am good. I hope I did not offend you.

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No the color green represents rejuvenation or rebirth. When you think about the title, song, and the music video all go together quite well. Please for a moment forget about the horrible music video and think about the message that the dancing scene represents when Ayu is dancing she is reborn because she is not repressing herself. Frankly, this song is not meant only for homosexuals this song is meant to show that she has been reborn, think about what she herself has went through and then apply the lyrics to her life. People in a few earlier posts have mentioned that her lyrics have matured, yes they have because she has as a person. Think about it like this strip away Ayu's money and fame and she just wants to show people that she is a person not a glamorous superstar, who people think is fake because she wears Dior gowns and likes 600 dollar pumps. Even the single cover is interesting because Ayu's eyes make her look dead however she is surronded by light pink roses, which in asian cultures and in Greek mythology, represent death yet in modern Western cultures they are used to represent love, admiration, or respect. Maybe she is attempting to say that her older self, or her self or the feelings she felt have died. The song reminds me of the GUILTY cover, it looks nice yet no one comments on the fact that it appears that Ayu is walking out of a cave in the desert and she is blinded by the sunlight, the truth, what I find interesting is that someone who is not willing to express their guilt would have kept her in the cave or would have kept her safe in the cloak of nightfall. Honestly, I would not personally listen to her music anymore if all of her music videos were obviously about hope, thats why I like her recent music because it makes me think because her points are not obvious.Yet what shocked me the most was that no one even mentioned, especially with this being Ayu's tenth anniversity, that her dancing is somewhat similiar to rainbow and the cover to A BALLADS because they all depict Ayu being healed in some way, or you could say that they all represent her love for another woman. because this person helped become the person she is now. I say that the dance scene, the cover to A BALLADS, and rainbow are all similiar because they could all be easily misinterpeted if you have no prior knowledge of Ayu.
that is a great post...interesting about the roses as well.
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Old 3rd December 2008, 09:08 AM
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No the color green represents rejuvenation or rebirth. When you think about the title, song, and the music video all go together quite well. Please for a moment forget about the horrible music video and think about the message that the dancing scene represents when Ayu is dancing she is reborn because she is not repressing herself. Frankly, this song is not meant only for homosexuals this song is meant to show that she has been reborn, think about what she herself has went through and then apply the lyrics to her life. People in a few earlier posts have mentioned that her lyrics have matured, yes they have because she has as a person. Think about it like this strip away Ayu's money and fame and she just wants to show people that she is a person not a glamorous superstar, who people think is fake because she wears Dior gowns and likes 600 dollar pumps. Even the single cover is interesting because Ayu's eyes make her look dead however she is surronded by light pink roses, which in asian cultures and in Greek mythology, represent death yet in modern Western cultures they are used to represent love, admiration, or respect. Maybe she is attempting to say that her older self, or her self or the feelings she felt have died. The song reminds me of the GUILTY cover, it looks nice yet no one comments on the fact that it appears that Ayu is walking out of a cave in the desert and she is blinded by the sunlight, the truth, what I find interesting is that someone who is not willing to express their guilt would have kept her in the cave or would have kept her safe in the cloak of nightfall. Honestly, I would not personally listen to her music anymore if all of her music videos were obviously about hope, thats why I like her recent music because it makes me think because her points are not obvious.Yet what shocked me the most was that no one even mentioned, especially with this being Ayu's tenth anniversity, that her dancing is somewhat similiar to rainbow and the cover to A BALLADS because they all depict Ayu being healed in some way, or you could say that they all represent her love for another woman. because this person helped become the person she is now. I say that the dance scene, the cover to A BALLADS, and rainbow are all similiar because they could all be easily misinterpeted if you have no prior knowledge of Ayu.
love this post!

i also find it very interesting that she chose to dance with Midori in this video seeing as "midori" means "green" in japanese.

well, the more i watch it...the more i love it and am able to put more thought behind it.
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well, the more i watch it...the more i love it and am able to put more thought behind it.
I'm already at the point where I love it
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for me it all was like meh

I didn't get the feeling of it nor the plot

Ayu acting was just weirdo unnatural & scary

the PV just spoiled the song, imho

too much like MW, a PV which makes you feel as if it has been made by a left leg of nobody-knows-what-to-good-for-director
it makes us more & more convinced that Ayu's shedule is too tough to concentrate a great deal on PVs & such, but these things simply make the artist

I don't understand

no offense, but it simply sucks

I mean, music is okay, covers nice, why spoil this all anyway?

just a waste of time & money

that just freaked me out. I'm dissapointed

vague plot, but cool decor - this all leaves only cheap & blank impression


I know I may be wrong all the way


earlier Ayu had PVs with real meaning & somehow we didn't find it hard to discover

why don't you think that now she simply makes PVs for us, for fans?
and they can be without any hidden meaning at all

why everybody keeps thinking it has smth when it's 80% that it actually doesn't?

don't you think that this director simply can't make PVs?

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Old 2nd December 2008, 10:29 AM
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^ sure you didn't

that was just my opinion. fans have thouthands of opinions & actually it's very interesting to read them or their interpretations


nobody knows the truth so we just suggest

I also didn't mean to offend any fans with my harsh straightforward opinion

just I didn't like the PV. sure though RAINBOW & forgiveness were not easy-to-guess
they were 3 tons better
or, maybe, I really should grow up a little to get the message

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Old 2nd December 2008, 05:14 PM
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I understand what you mean,ayu ready, completely there is no need to grow up just because something is not your style and I find nothing wrong with being frank, when it is an appropriate time(and I think that this board is a great place for honesty). I just wanted to say that I was thinking this morning about the Ayu dancing stiff comment and I thought back to the days when I was in cheer and how my coach told me that I danced stiff. Although I was offended I was happy that she told me that rather then her saying that my dancing is loose and sloppy. I just want to say that I personally, because I an some what of a perfectionist about certain things, that I would have rather a somewhat stiff Ayu than a failing arms no muscle control person dancing. And then it hit me I understood what many of you were saying when you said that the director's lack of technique made the video horrible even though there was an obvious message there. So I want to apologize if I offended anyone because I did not think about I would have thought if I was to judge someone on a topic that I knew quite a bit about.
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