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2nd January 2011, 04:57 AM
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I couldn't agree more with you, Uemarasan.
It may looks rushed but as I said before, you'll never know how love really works. Long relationship doesn't mean real love, most of the times. Nagase and Ayu turns into a brothers alike relationship after so many years. And she focused on her work, until she met Mannie. Maybe he's the perfect match for Ayu  we don't know if they will live together until death or not. I hope they live together with a life full of happiness and love though, but yeah I'm a really romantic girl  so you know I love daydreaming.However, I'm really really happy for Ayu ^^ and I think she would be really happy as well, if we (japanese and not) fans would support her now. Spoiler:
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2nd January 2011, 05:22 AM
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Just have to say, I completely agree with Kanzaki on the language barrier thing. I know from personal experience, because my uncle speaks English and he's learning Japanese because of my aunt, who is from Japan, and she is learning English just fine~ From what I can see, my aunt and Ayu's English are around the same skill level, so I see no difference. My aunt and uncle are perfectly happy together, why can't Ayu and Mannie be?
Language thing aside, I really agree with the first post. Completely. This is Ayu's life, she can live and love however she wants to. If this was a mistake, then it was her mistake, she will learn from it, and she will grow as a person from it. She's already proven that she is a mentally strong person~ Chances are though, that it wasn't a mistake, and she will live happily, the way we should all wish for her. Either way we should support her not only as her fans, but as people who actually care about her 
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2nd January 2011, 08:42 AM
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If she thinks he's the right one I'm with her. If they're going to stay together forever I'll be happy, if they won't... well, maybe it would be painful for Ayu but it was HER choice for HER own life and when she did it she believed in it. That's all. And I can see her happy now, and it makes me happy too ^__^
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2nd January 2011, 09:02 AM
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Ya, I totally agree with Uemarasan's opinion~I think being a fan, we can support her work, her songs and her creations, but getting marry is AYU's own decision, she just want to have a life as normal girl, and she must had been thinking a lot before she get married, and i don't think it's our decision to agree who should she get with for the rest of her life, it's her life and her marriage, all we need to do is wish her in happiness, and I am really happy that she found the one in her life~
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2nd January 2011, 10:26 AM
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what a multi-faceted issue! lol
I can only say that, even when talking and discussing your life with the people closest to you, there are many times different opinions and different takes on a situation, and people have different things to say, and different advice to give. I don't really care for people being like "omg I want her to get a divorce"...but what can you do right? I only hope that everyone respects her wishes and that's all. And just because someone has a possibly negative opinion, doesn't really mean that they don't. ...I'm not gonna lie. Someone getting married after 4 months (if so) is something, personally, I'd advise against lol I think people have some valid reasons to be "against" the marriage...but then again, no one knows the true relationship between two people except those two people...so...in the end, it's a little difficult to make any reason be so valid that it's grounds to want bad things to happen to them or something...
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2nd January 2011, 11:06 AM
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Emiko, thanks. Excellent points, all.
For some reason, the length of time doesn't bother me. Of course, more often than not, it takes time to get to really know someone. But I prefer to view relationships in this way: it's a cliche but it's true, the real work doesn't begin until after the commitment. Maybe for some people that commitment needs the presence of a marriage license, and they know that divorce is an option. How a relationship is is defined by its entire life span and not by what leads to it. But, at the very least, children aren't in the picture yet.
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2nd January 2011, 11:23 AM
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^But Ayu has stated herself that nothing will change. She wants to continue singing and being the same Ayu she has always been. The only difference now is that she has found a lifetime partner.
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2nd January 2011, 11:50 AM
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I agree, but let's face it. The news was kinda shocking! It came from nowhere and thus, it caused some concerns for fans. And people always judge in one way or another.
However, I think we can all agree that we wish for the very best for ayu, although some of us are more negative than positive.
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#9
2nd January 2011, 12:14 PM
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hsienko, good points, also, coming from the other side of the argument. I'd really prefer Ayu to take a break, actually. For the past decade she has already given so much to her fans. Isn't it time that they, I don't know, give something in return by letting her enjoy something other than her career?
Thirteen albums, fifty singles, more than a hundred songs, all those concerts, live performances, photoshoots, calendars, TA messages, Twitter messages. How much more? Will it never be enough? She's only human. Has it gotten to the point that for Ayu the happiness of her fans is more important than her happiness? Or has the happiness of her fans become her happiness? Last edited by Uemarasan; 2nd January 2011 at 12:21 PM.
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2nd January 2011, 01:01 PM
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I find the remarks people are making expressing their worry over Mannie being after her money not only insulting to Mannie but also to Ayu herself. She's not stupid or naive. If people are truly worried about this, they don't know the first thing about Ayumi Hamasaki.
Also, Westerners tend to be socially contrained to have a long relationship before marriage. Not because they don't love the person, but because that's what's expected. This isn't rushed. This is knowing what you want and getting it. She knows what she wants, and she wants to be with Mannie, and he's obviously beyond crazy about her. It's only sudden for fans, who frankly have no right to be privy to anything in her personal life.
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2nd January 2011, 04:13 PM
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Coelacanth, when I met Ayu in late November, we had a conversation and her English and comprehension was completely fine. I didn't have to slow down too much to answer her, and she was able to ask questions as well as the next guy. Her ability to read English is capable as well, as she was able to understand perfectly from a note who to make out autographs to. Her English is fluent compared to 70% of the Southern California population. Her accent, however, is horrific, but that does not detract from the fact that her comprehension is very high.
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2nd January 2011, 08:54 PM
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If people really stop being fans because of this good riddance. Who wants such childish moronic fans?
I personally think people are making way to big a deal about the whole marriage thing. We no longer live in a world where marriage is forever and divorce is looked down upon. Ayu and Mannie seem to truly be in love, 4/5 months isn't too short a time. They spent pretty much every day together when Ayu was in LA and they probably talked on the phone for hours every day when she wasn't....sometimes people just click. I think they didn't waiting because they want to show the commitment they have made to eachother. They obviously see their futures together, and if it doesn't end up like that, it doesnt tend up like that. I've seen some comments about how this isn't like Ayu...I disagree. She can be pretty unorthodox and we know she likes to live in the now. As a lot of other people has said, Ayu is a smart woman and I don't think she is all that trusting of people in general and she chooses her personal relationships wisely. Considering that, the fact this happened fairly quickly shows how much she trusts Mannie. This post is all over the place but point is: Ayu is smart and will live how she wants, as she has always done, despite what other people say. Let her be happy, she absoloutely deserves it.
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2nd January 2011, 09:45 PM
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Some Ayu's fans are hilarious !
No one have the right to be against that wedding, nor the right to claim Mannie wants Ayu's money as it was a fact and dunno what else as BS. Ayumi is the property of no one, and even less the property of her fans ! She is her own property ! Keep this in mind ! She got married quickly and so what ? He is not japanese, she is not english native ? So what ? They know each others since less than a year and so what ? Plus we don't know for SURE since when they know each others so stop with Virgin Road fact ! It is the concern of none of her fans ! Not even if you are here since her debut ! You have nothing to decide for her, you don't even have the right to ! You don't want to be a fan anymore ? Good, leave, she doesn't need childish people behind her a$$ . You are angry, upset ? But damn it, ask the question to yourself : why ? I'm sure the answer is the most stupid of the year ! I known fans can be stupid but that selfish .... it's just disgusting ! Some of hers fans are so selfish that I'm shocked, much more than the wedding announce ! What I find the most shocking through the cons is that they take Ayumi for a dumba$$ unable to know what is right for her, to be blind, stupid and dunno what else ! You are so insulting to your supposed favorite singer that yes, you are hilarious ! You forgot that Ayumi is not there for you and only for you, she can think to hers own life without caring about yours opinion, that's how it works ! I suppose that some felt betrayed but it has always been like this, you just forgot it ! She looks very happy, she found love ? Then I am truly happy for her because right now it is rather hard to find love or happiness but at last one of us found it !
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2nd January 2011, 10:31 PM
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....mmm.... the news were shocking, yes...I'm still kinda wondering if she's serious (hello???she's just got married! xD) and even if I might think it's kinda fast and stuff, there's no reason to think that they totally don't know each other, or know nothing at all..It's impossible to get to know a person in 3 months as well as you can not know them for your whole life, and sometimes if you meet someone similar to yourself you just see through them, and understand them as well as yourself plus you can't just say that because they got married so quickly they will end up divorcing it's just ridiculous... none knows that, and we shouldn't go calling for that in near future, instead wish for long and happy marriage!
We do have a right to like it or not because we all also do have some sort of feeling for her, but we have NO rights to judge her decissions because what you hadn't experienced yourself you can't understand. And respecting her is the thing fans should do. Most important is as lots of you have already said she's a grown up woman, she's smart, moreover neither her life or she herself belong to us, she has a right to live and learn, to get hurt and be happy, to smile and cry, and our duty is to support her during those moments and to smile with her when she's smiling 
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2nd January 2011, 10:36 PM
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4th January 2011, 03:19 AM
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3rd January 2011, 08:12 AM
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this quote "she's a smart woman" just drives me nuts. do you know what love can do to a person? go and read some classical literature if don't agree or feel offended
opinions are opinions. people are different. as fans, we accept her choice and are happy for her. as individuals, some like her choice, some, like me, don't. I think it's normal it anyway won't affect HER choice and she will do what SHE wants because it's HER life I look at her husband and have a bad feeling about him, without knowing him. I look at him and don't like him. what's bad in this? what's unusual about me having my own opinion...huh so according to your logic if I say this, I'm a bad fan. sorry I'm not screaming "yatta" all the way around and some people are like that too. you jump to conclusion and say that fans offend, disrespect and much more. I mean, wtf? just expressing opinion if I don't like him I can't write "He's amazing, smart and suitable". Last edited by ayu_ready?; 3rd January 2011 at 08:20 AM.
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3rd January 2011, 10:47 AM
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I'm sorry but your opinion is really ridiculous.
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3rd January 2011, 11:05 AM
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She's already done so much for me, for us. For once, we need to leave her be and let her live her life the way she wants. She's married. It's done. We fans can't do anything about it except congratulate her, wish her luck, happiness, and togetherness. That's all we can do. That's all we SHOULD do, even if we have doubts and worries (since I'm pretty sure she does know what she's getting into and knows all the risks and repercussions of said risks).
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Even if she is in that euphoric stage of a relationship, she's had plenty of experience to know what's best for her at the moment. If that means getting married after allegedly 4 months, so be it. A couple of other people have pointed out your other fallacy of judging Mannie by his looks without even bothering to further research him, so I won't touch on that.
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3rd January 2011, 12:52 PM
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  she proved so many times that she's mature and has a head on her shoulders, plus books are books, some of them are supposed to be crazy and abnormal.What I was trying to say is that even if she does mistakes, even if this step is one of them, let her be, she's SMART enough to later learn from it and don't repeat that again. As I already said on some other thread if it was fated for her to get hurt, she will and all the people in the world won't be able to stop it. None of us are forced to like Mannie nor to like her decision, but at least we all should learn to express our opinion in a civilized and polite way and at least, if you're not happy about what she did, and with who she is, then at least try to be happy that she's happy. I can't say I totally love Mannie and think he's super awesome and supper cool. I can admit to that he's not my type here, BUT, he doesn't have to be MY type, right? it was Ayu who decided to chose this way, not us, and we shouldn't judge him without even trying to understand WHY, or what she liked about him that much. Some of the fans are instantly jumping to conclusions and making judgments without even trying to get to know the reasons. Besides when you think about it..Who's actually in a rush to make a decision here, Ayu or some of her fans? And again you can never understand someone's actions unless you got yourself in the same situation. In this case we all should think about being in Ayu's shoes, being a super popular persona in Japan who's life is like under a microscope and preasure from fans in teh country
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