～POWER of MUSIC～ 2011 A LIMITED EDITION setlists, photos, and etc. [IV]

[Zeke.]

^ I thought she was an amazing live singer when I first watched CDL 04-05 and AT05. I thought, "My God, this chick is unstoppable! She can't go wrong! Just like the CD!" and I didn't notice her vocal quality getting to the point where I did not enjoy it until around AT09. Yes, count down and Mem. Address on AT10 were amazing I have to say though.

[isthisLOL?]

Originally Posted by RayJason

Another stereotype, hello there!

"Western fans" can have 2 meanings in that sentence. One being a collective term for all western fans, the other one describing, that the ones that are pissed off are western, not that all western fans are oversensitive, but that the oversensitive ones, at least in this thread, are western. At least I haven't seen a single non-western one. Now think about which meaning it probably has in this sentence.
In this sentence it purely meant that Shuya doesn't have to care if western fans are oversensitive, because that is not the culture the concert happens in. When japanese fans are oversensitive he has to care.

Also, I think we are listening to different concerts. This is the first time since 2005 that Ayumi has sounded really good live. In this unedited, low quality and badly mixed recording of her singing some of her hardest songs she sings better than in some DVD-released(therefore properly mixed, edited and high quality) versions of concerts full of easy songs.
She also has learned how to actually sing with the correct technique, which is the reason progress sounds so rough in the studio version before her recent vocal lessons(the opening part is earsplattering) but not nearly as rough in the concert, even when it probably was the worst vocal performance of the whole show in terms of pitch. But that will all be fixed for the DVD/Bluray and it will probably end up being her best-sounding tour. And it's completely free of playback, which probably can't be said about any of the tours between 2002 and 2009 Except for TA Live Tour, but we don't have the full thing.

[Hydeki]

^Well I don't see why do people have to stop talking about it, everyone has their right to express their opìnion. The matter is not there are no consequence, the matter is the lack of respect towards the audience and people who were watching it online, and furthermore, to ayu and the crew who did their best in the performance.

Maybe people do find it funny or whatever, but I definitely don't.

[isthisLOL?]

Originally Posted by Hydeki

^Well I don't see why do people have to stop talking about it, everyone has their right to express their opìnion. The matter is not there are no consequence, the matter is the lack of respect towards the audience and people who were watching it online, and furthermore, to ayu and the crew who did their best in the performance.

Maybe people do find it funny or whatever, but I definitely don't.

Why should Shuya care that western fans are oversensitive and take every small thing(that is absolutely meaningless in their culture) as being "respectless"?

[koumori]

Originally Posted by isthisLOL?

Why should Shuya care that western fans are oversensitive and take every small thing(that is absolutely meaningless in their culture) as being "respectless"?

In any case. I'm looking forward to see the DVD It looks like they did more of a show for the recording.

[ComatoseBunnySnatcher]

Originally Posted by isthisLOL?

Why should Shuya care that western fans are oversensitive and take every small thing(that is absolutely meaningless in their culture) as being "respectless"?

Because he is part of Ayu's team, therefore a reflection of her?

If japanese fans want to raise an uproar because ayu couldn't make it back to japan to record a live I think western fans can get bothered by something just as rediculous.

[kinix]

Originally Posted by ComatoseBunnySnatcher

Because he is part of Ayu's team, therefore a reflection of her?

If japanese fans want to raise an uproar because ayu couldn't make it back to japan to record a live I think western fans can get bothered by something just as rediculous.

ayu had a picture of her pointing middle finger at the press during red carpet at the mtv asia awards'02 but nobody cares too ^^ (she's smiling happily =D )

[isthisLOL?]

^ I think the reason for that is that far-away angles are more "safe" for live broadcasts. You know you ALWAYS show what's going on, with many close-ups you can easily miss something important and cutting can be more tricky.

Originally Posted by ComatoseBunnySnatcher

Because he is part of Ayu's team, therefore a reflection of her?

If japanese fans want to raise an uproar because ayu couldn't make it back to japan to record a live I think western fans can get bothered by something just as rediculous.

Because some japanese people are stupid we can be stupid, too? OK, I guess arguing with you doesn't make sense.

Fact is: It is only offensive in some(not even all, it's only really offensive in the US afaik, but EVERYTHING is offensive in the US, we just laugh about it here) western cultures, the concert did not happen in a western country, it happened in a place where it means nothing. It was done by a person that grew up in a culture it means nothing in. If YOU decide to be offended that's your own fault for either being oversensitive or simply not understanding that cultures differ. Why should someone in Japan care if a handful Americans(not even all of them) are offended when everybody else pretty much isn't? The 6.7 billion people that are not American don't give a ****.

[ComatoseBunnySnatcher]

Originally Posted by isthisLOL?

Because some japanese people are stupid we can be stupid, too? OK, I guess arguing with you doesn't make sense.

Fact is: It is only offensive in some(not even all, it's only really offensive in the US afaik, but EVERYTHING is offensive in the US, we just laugh about it here) western cultures, the concert did not happen in a western country, it happened in a place where it means nothing. It was done by a person that grew up in a culture it means nothing in. If YOU decide to be offended that's your own fault for either being oversensitive or simply not understanding that cultures differ. Why should someone in Japan care if a handful Americans are offended when everybody else pretty much isn't?

The way I and some others take his behavior, if its stupid, shouldn't matter to you then.
We're just a bunch of retarded americans according to you right?

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by Hydeki

^Well I don't see why do people have to stop talking about it, everyone has their right to express their opìnion. The matter is not there are no consequence, the matter is the lack of respect towards the audience and people who were watching it online, and furthermore, to ayu and the crew who did their best in the performance.

Maybe people do find it funny or whatever, but I definitely don't.

But if you think that, then you are being very ethnocentric. As I already stated, using your middle finger in Japan has no negative connotation to it. All cultures are different. I teach at elementary school in Tokyo and have seen kids gesture with their middle fingers that could be construed in America as flipping someone the bird, but do the teachers here get upset about it? No of course not because it is not something derogatory in the culture of Japan - they may as well be using their index finger.

I once did a 'thumbs down' sign in class and the students practically lost their minds. "Ohhh you can't do that! That's very bad!!" - in Japan a thumbs down means basically to tell someone to die. If Shu-ya had done that in the concert, then you would see a controversy.

I guess all the people in Japan should stop flashing inward facing peace signs in photos because that could be considered offensive in England. :roll eyes

For a board that is dedicated to the music of a foreign country, there are sure some closed minded people about cultural differences on this board....

Edit: And now I realize that this subject got squashed about a page back.

[jbrat2219]

^ You can't really expect Shu-ya to adhere to foreign fans' sensitivity to jesters that mean nothing in Japan.

[Kanzaki]

Well I thought the middle finger was just funny. It doesn't take a great deal of common sense to realize that he didn't mean "**** you, audience." It's not a big deal.

It would've been trashy if he pulled an R.Kelly.

To those of you who knows what I'm talking about, hi5

[chu-lips]

I like this concert
it's so refreshing with new arrangment but one thing i hate bout it is how they shoot this concert..
They shoot it from far away n make it like a fan cam..n rarely close it up..

[Kanzaki]

Hey, there are other westerners than just "retarded americans" around. And it's very offensive in other countries than just North America. If I recall correctly, someone was shot because he showed someone the underside of his shoe by accident -apparently that is like showing people your middle finger in some countries. Arabic, I think?

And isn't this just a matter of how you (regardless of where you are from) choose to overlook these little things.

You two are taking things too far and too seriously anyway. Japan has a knack for doing insane and very offensive things, that makes flicking someone off in the middle of a concert seem like nothing at all. You'll just have to deal with it.

[isthisLOL?]

Why do people act like I brought up "retarded americans", the american brought that up, not me. I never generalized all Americans. And you really can't count non-industrial countries when talking about what is offensive or not - acceptable or not when you compare to first world countries. There's still a few countries that hang homosexuals for example. And no, I am not being racist by saying this. It's a fact. And it's not because I think people are any worse there than in other countries, it's just that in history progress and wealth always came first and those countries didn't have that yet mostly(or are in the first stages of it).
And while it still may be offensive in other countries I have yet to see another country that makes a big fuss around it. I don't think another first world country for example censors middle fingers on TV. If anything it is a personal insult in other countries, something the person it is directed at can get offended about, not others.

And I'm not overlooking it, I see it as what it is and that is nothing to get offended over. It wasn't even DIRECTED AT US. It was a middle finger directed at a japanese audience(or japanese staff members on stage) by a japanese person. Note: japanese. A culture in which, as explained by both Japanese and westerners living in Japan, it is not offensive. We don't even know if it was meant to offend someone or jokingly.

[Kanzaki]

^
Wait hold it and slow down. Why would anyone accuse you of being "racist" for mentioning that some countries apply the death penalty to people who're homosexual?

And I can read, thank you. I know it was "the american" (ComatoseBunnySnatcher is his username btw) who mentioned that. I was half kidding, but you seem to be way too much into this discussion to realize that.

I don't think an entire country made a fuss about it, did they? Just a few people thought it was off. And that is not the fault of a landmass, but a lack of common sense in those that do. I think most AHS'ers thought it was kinda funny and was surprised.

And I don't think at all it was meant to offend anyone. I don't think anyone with moderate amounts of common sense think that he purposedly did it to offend.

[emi♡]

Are you guys STILL talking about this?

Damn.

Well the media hasn't said anything about it yet, and they'll do anything to discredit Ayu in any way...so, obviously, it wasn't some kind of hugely offensive thing.


And wow, some of you...I've lost some respect for you, not that you guys probably care...but...You know, this is a forum for people all around the world. As such, it would be a good idea to leave some of your preconceived notions about other cultures, out of your posts.

There's a time and place for trying to talk about the "truth" you know? And there's also a way to go about it.

I would just, advise that some of you use more caution. Just a suggestion.

[TeamAyu2004]

^ I was thinking the same thing...
Still... come on!

We don't even know the context in how it happened... We have something like a six second clip of the man tripping and then pointing his middle finger out into the crowd... THAT tells us nothing!!
You know how many people point with that finger??? most likely millions of people, even Americans do it!
Get over it!

Besides that... the concert was rather great, can't wait for the DVD

[MissElin_]

Am I the only one who thinks it's hilarious?!
I keep on looking at that gif and it makes me laugh everytime. I love it.

And OMG yes! I can't wait for the Blu-ray to release! It will be epic!

[kumikomishitate]

People, get over it. Move on. Why do you guys even bother arguing over the Internet? You don't know these people. Who cares. I get your point, isthisLOL?, but please just drop it before you say anymore potentially misunderstood statements. I admit I got a good laugh out of this discussion but seriously, people, shut up, move on, and discuss something worth discussing.

Thank you.