[Utada Hikaru] ♥Passion♥ The 22nd Thread of Utada Hikaru

[kang daesung]

Originally Posted by Luv ~Venus~

Seriously, are we like the only two real Hikki fans here? Gawd this is just sad.

I know we are the two biggest Hikki stans, but you'd think there'd be at least a few other people who realize that a.) she is an R&B artist at heart, b.) Hikki =/= Utada, and c.) going mainstream is the only way that she is going to get any proper attention.

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

@kang daesung & Luv ~Venus~: how many reading lessons have u skipped back in Elementary school? - I said that THIS UTTER CRAP will flop the same way Sanctuary WOULD if it was released as a single, and not that it would DO ANY BETTER even tough the song WAS A MILLION TIMES BETTER.

That is not what you said but if that's what you meant, okay. Howver, I don't agree at all. I think "Sanctuary" has no potential to be a hit in the US, unlike CBTM. In addition, you seem to like to complain about CBTM's lyrics, but "Sanctuary" has some of the corniest, cliched lyrics I've ever heard from her. Just because it's abstract doesn't mean it's good.

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

@kang daesung - imo, all the songs that you've mentioned are idiotic, all the people who sang them should be shot/stabbed to death.

Okay, if you're going to be immature and childish like this, I'm not even going to reply.

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

Even if you do LOVE/LIKE the song, it doesn't mean people can't think it SUCKS. She doesn't need to experiment with her music but she doesn't need to write boring songs with really plain lyrics and primitive arrangements as we have enough of those already. But hey it seems that some people would be like "OMG this is PURE ART", even if Hikki was just crapping during the whole song.

Nobody said you can't dislike it, and nobody said it's ~pure art~. In fact, I called it generic, but it is exactly what is needed for Hikki to have a successful debut. Just because something is mainstream you guys think it's automatically crap, and that's just ignorant.

I'm getting a little sick of these music elitists who think anything Western and mainstream is awful. I really don't think a lot of people here are in touch with American music enough to even understand what it takes to be big here.

Originally Posted by haikudasai

Thanks for clearing this up! I'm a casual listener, of hers, so I went with speculation. :]

I do agree whole heartedly that there is a stigma here that concludes American music to just the Top 40 of Hip Hop/Pop. America is blessed with how diverse our music genres are, and how accessible even low key artists are these days. It's sad to see some people just generalize it and make it seem so one dimensional.

Makes one believe that those who claim to understand the American music industry really do not understand it at all. To those people I really suggest you research into American artists and you'll easily find songs that have true music and art attached to them.

The gift of excellent music isn't defined or supplied by one country or language.

DDD, seriously, that boat of sass has sailed. Get new material.

I love that you think that I don't know that there is music outside of Top 40. Get a clue, Hikki wants to be a mainstream artist, and she's signed to Island Def Jam, one of the largest mainstream R&B labels out there She doesn't want to sell like the artists you are talking about, omg.

Also, my name isn't DDD, and get over yourself.

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by kang daesung

I know we are the two biggest Hikki stans, but you'd think there'd be at least a few other people who realize that a.) she is an R&B artist at heart, b.) Hikki =/= Utada, and c.) going mainstream is the only way that she is going to get any proper attention.


That is not what you said but if that's what you meant, okay. Howver, I don't agree at all. I think "Sanctuary" has no potential to be a hit in the US, unlike CBTM. In addition, you seem to like to complain about CBTM's lyrics, but "Sanctuary" has some of the corniest, cliched lyrics I've ever heard from her. Just because it's abstract doesn't mean it's good.


Okay, if you're going to be immature and childish like this, I'm not even going to reply.


Nobody said you can't dislike it, and nobody said it's ~pure art~. In fact, I called it generic, but it is exactly what is needed for Hikki to have a successful debut. Just because something is mainstream you guys think it's automatically crap, and that's just ignorant.

I'm getting a little sick of these music elitists who think anything Western and mainstream is awful. I really don't think a lot of people here are in touch with American music enough to even understand what it takes to be big here.


I love that you think that I don't know that there is music outside of Top 40. Get a clue, Hikki wants to be a mainstream artist, and she's signed to Island Def Jam, one of the largest mainstream R&B labels out there She doesn't to sell like the artists you are talking about, get a clue.

Also, my name isn't DDD, and get over yourself.

Sure I got a bit ahead of myself - the stabbing thingy and all (as Luv just annoys me with her comments too much) So I apologize for that. But those songs aren't really what I consider an A+ production.
I am not a fan of American mainstream music, but I have nothing against some of the songs. I don't think that it's crap just because it's more mainstream, I even like Eat you up to a certain extent, even tough the lyrics weren't great, and I am aware that this isn't Hikki's first cheesy love song, but I am simply against sacrificing your music for the sake of more money (and it's not like she'll die if she doesn't get popular in the states), as her previous jpop efforts were way better imo.

[Luv ~Venus~]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

I dont need to refrain from being an American as I am not one, obviously, but as far as I know there is more to American music that this :p And you're as biased as I am ^^ otherwise we wouldn't be having this convo. And you seem to hate the "generic" queen that much, so I suggest you should stay away from her part of the boards too XD
oh and I wasn't the one who started the whole Sanctuary VS CBTM talk.

Please. If you don't like my comments get your info right. That's the only reason why I quote your post anyway.

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

Sure I got a bit ahead of myself - the stabbing thingy and all (as Luv just annoys me with her comments too much) So I apologize for that. But those songs aren't really what I consider an A+ production.
I am not a fan of American mainstream music, but I have nothing against some of the songs. I don't think that it's crap just because it's more mainstream, I even like Eat you up to a certain extent, even tough the lyrics weren't great, and I am aware that this isn't Hikki's first cheesy love song, but I am simply against sacrificing your music for the sake of more money (and it's not like she'll die if she doesn't get popular in the states), as her previous jpop efforts were way better imo.

And please get over the fact that the "lyrics" aren't deep and confusing. Not everyone has to talk about losing hope and wishing for doves to set the world free. There's nothing wrong with the lyrics as they are meaningful for women who have cheated on someone. Just because her lyrics or anybody else's music doesn't base their stuff on Ayu's views of the world and herself doesn't make their stuff meaningless.

Hikki isn't sacrificing her music just to cash on fans interest. Get over yourself and stop thinking she's doing that ok. You're always trying to pull that sacrificing their music card but its a big fail. And no, I don't hate Ayu ok. I have respect for her and her music but like you said about CBTM is the way I feel about Her recent stuff. Yes, my comments are a bit harsh but are they nowhere as near biased and misinformed as your comments about Hikki or any artist.

@haikudasai: That's seriously not DDD. =/

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by Luv ~Venus~

Please. If you don't like my comments get your info right. That's the only reason why I quote your post anyway.



And please get over the fact that the "lyrics" aren't deep and confusing. Not everyone has to talk about losing hope and wishing for doves to set the world free. There's nothing wrong with the lyrics as they are meaningful for women who have cheated on someone. Just because her lyrics or anybody else's music doesn't base their stuff on Ayu's views of the world and herself doesn't make their stuff meaningless.

Hikki isn't sacrificing herself or her music just to cash on fans interest. Get over yourself and stop thinking she's doing that ok. You're always trying to pull that sacrificing their music card but its a big fail. And no, I don't hate Ayu ok. I have respect for her and her music but like you said about CBTM is the way I feel about Her recent stuff. Yes, my comments are a bit harsh but are they nowhere as near biased and misinformed as your comments about Hikki or any artist.

First of all I am not misinformed ^^ Second, I didn't say she needs to write about really deep stuff, many songs that I love aren't deep, yet I still love them. And I am sorry but I can't really relate to the whole cheating girl needs a forgiveness idea, I simply dislike the lyrics and just pointed out the way I see it, sure Hikki might love what she is doing, but I simply don't. So if you're done with quotting me for today :p, we should just agree to disagree on this one, as you've made sure I am properly informed ^^

oh btw while we're at it, what happen with DDD? I haven't seen him on here in ages

[Luv ~Venus~]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

First of all I am not misinformed ^^ Second, I didn't say she needs to write about really deep stuff, many songs that I love aren't deep, yet I still love them. And I am sorry but I can't really relate to the whole cheating girl needs a forgiveness idea, I simply dislike the lyrics and just pointed out the way I see it, sure Hikki might love what she is doing, but I simply don't. So if you're done with quotting me for today :p, we should just agree to disagree on this one, as you've made sure I am properly informed ^^

Okay agreed.

[haikudasai]

Originally Posted by kang daesung

I love that you think that I don't know that there is music outside of Top 40. Get a clue, Hikki wants to be a mainstream artist, and she's signed to Island Def Jam, one of the largest mainstream R&B labels out there She doesn't want to sell like the artists you are talking about, omg.

Also, my name isn't DDD, and get over yourself.

DDD, I haven't directly pointed you out as that type of person but if the guilty conscious cries out I can't stop you.

Not being a 'stan' of Utada/Utada Hikaru (I'm more of a fan) I can simply look at her release patterns to know she's not in it to just obtain instant mainstream fame. I'm certain she wants to succeed but not at the expense of her artistic abilities.

Also, if I remember correctly, she had several different labels approach her but she ultimately went with IDJ because they were willing to give her more/complete artistic freedom. Not to be a megastar.

My opinion, entitled to have, is that her music abilities are left in the mud when this song plays. Although the producer has a nice resume for making mainstream hits, just like any person's career, a bland one comes along. Utada got it.