[Utada Hikaru] ♥Passion♥ The 22nd Thread of Utada Hikaru

[Luv ~Venus~]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

@kang daesung & Luv ~Venus~: how many reading lessons have u skipped back in Elementary school? - I said that THIS UTTER CRAP will flop the same way Sanctuary WOULD if it was released as a single, and not that it would DO ANY BETTER even tough the song WAS A MILLION TIMES BETTER.

@Luv - Honey, I've been a Hikki fan since 2002 (back when Kingdom Hearts was released). And please stop telling me what to do ^^ (comparing any Ayu songs with this is pretty dumb coming from you, and you can't provoke me that way). Please restrain from quoting me in the future, as you're annoying me as hell, and even if you do so, please ask someone to properly read my post for you and make sure you U N D E R S T A N D what I was saying.

@kang daesung - imo, all the songs that you've mentioned are idiotic, all the people who sang them should be shot/stabbed to death.

Even if you do LOVE/LIKE the song, it doesn't mean people can't think it SUCKS. She doesn't need to experiment with her music but she doesn't need to write boring songs with really plain lyrics and primitive arrangements as we have enough of those already. But hey it seems that some people would be like "OMG this is PURE ART", even if Hikki was just crapping during the whole song.

Sanctuary wasn't even released on the radio so ur comment about Sanctuary is F A I L.

This is the why you fail at being a Hikki fan. Please. Return to the Generic Queen's part of the forum and stay there ok. It's obvious that you have no clue about Hikki other than she sang the theme song from KH. I luv how you say being a fan doesn't mean you have to like everything an artist produces. The irony....just the irony in that comment makes me laugh.

Also, since you think pretty much everything American is idiotic, please refrain coming on this forum.

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

Beh I am not going to argue anymore, as it won't make me like this any more than I do.

You started this argument. You said everything about UTADA's song that applied to just about every song ayu has made. You need to admit that you are extremely biased about any artist that threathens to beat Ayu. I read your comment about Kuu's popularity and saw the biasness in your comment.

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by kang daesung

I know we are the two biggest Hikki stans, but you'd think there'd be at least a few other people who realize that a.) she is an R&B artist at heart, b.) Hikki =/= Utada, and c.) going mainstream is the only way that she is going to get any proper attention.


That is not what you said but if that's what you meant, okay. Howver, I don't agree at all. I think "Sanctuary" has no potential to be a hit in the US, unlike CBTM. In addition, you seem to like to complain about CBTM's lyrics, but "Sanctuary" has some of the corniest, cliched lyrics I've ever heard from her. Just because it's abstract doesn't mean it's good.


Okay, if you're going to be immature and childish like this, I'm not even going to reply.


Nobody said you can't dislike it, and nobody said it's ~pure art~. In fact, I called it generic, but it is exactly what is needed for Hikki to have a successful debut. Just because something is mainstream you guys think it's automatically crap, and that's just ignorant.

I'm getting a little sick of these music elitists who think anything Western and mainstream is awful. I really don't think a lot of people here are in touch with American music enough to even understand what it takes to be big here.


I love that you think that I don't know that there is music outside of Top 40. Get a clue, Hikki wants to be a mainstream artist, and she's signed to Island Def Jam, one of the largest mainstream R&B labels out there She doesn't to sell like the artists you are talking about, get a clue.

Also, my name isn't DDD, and get over yourself.

Sure I got a bit ahead of myself - the stabbing thingy and all (as Luv just annoys me with her comments too much) So I apologize for that. But those songs aren't really what I consider an A+ production.
I am not a fan of American mainstream music, but I have nothing against some of the songs. I don't think that it's crap just because it's more mainstream, I even like Eat you up to a certain extent, even tough the lyrics weren't great, and I am aware that this isn't Hikki's first cheesy love song, but I am simply against sacrificing your music for the sake of more money (and it's not like she'll die if she doesn't get popular in the states), as her previous jpop efforts were way better imo.

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by Luv ~Venus~

Sanctuary wasn't even released on the radio so ur comment about Sanctuary is F A I L.

This is the why you fail at being a Hikki fan. Please. Return to the Generic Queen's part of the forum and stay there ok. It's obvious that you have no clue about Hikki other than she sang the theme song from KH. I luv how you say being a fan doesn't mean you have to like everything an artist produces. The irony....just the irony in that comment makes me laugh.

Also, since you think pretty much everything American is idiotic, please refrain from being an American as well.


You started this argument. You said everything about UTADA's song that applied to just about every song ayu has made. You need to admit that you are extremely biased about any artist that threathens to beat Ayu. I read your comment about Kuu's popularity and saw the biasness in your comment.

I dont need to refrain from being an American as I am not one, obviously, but as far as I know there is more to American music that this :p And you're as biased as I am ^^ otherwise we wouldn't be having this convo. And you seem to hate the "generic" queen that much, so I suggest you should stay away from her part of the boards too XD
oh and I wasn't the one who started the whole Sanctuary VS CBTM talk.

[haikudasai]

Originally Posted by kang daesung

I love that you think that I don't know that there is music outside of Top 40. Get a clue, Hikki wants to be a mainstream artist, and she's signed to Island Def Jam, one of the largest mainstream R&B labels out there She doesn't want to sell like the artists you are talking about, omg.

Also, my name isn't DDD, and get over yourself.

DDD, I haven't directly pointed you out as that type of person but if the guilty conscious cries out I can't stop you.

Not being a 'stan' of Utada/Utada Hikaru (I'm more of a fan) I can simply look at her release patterns to know she's not in it to just obtain instant mainstream fame. I'm certain she wants to succeed but not at the expense of her artistic abilities.

Also, if I remember correctly, she had several different labels approach her but she ultimately went with IDJ because they were willing to give her more/complete artistic freedom. Not to be a megastar.

My opinion, entitled to have, is that her music abilities are left in the mud when this song plays. Although the producer has a nice resume for making mainstream hits, just like any person's career, a bland one comes along. Utada got it.

[emi♡]

My head hurts after this thread.

You know, I don't want an english heart station, I don't care what style/genre whatever type of material she releases in America.

I don't care if it was super "mainstream" or super "indie" or whatever, as long as it was good, it's good. That's how it is to me. And there are a lot of factors that go into making a song "good" and pleasant to listen to, or dance to, whatever.

But perhaps that thinking, is a little too simple for this case and for hikki and what she wants to do. English debuts are not easy, and maybe for her to just "make music" isn't the same, and there are different rules here.

Whatever the case, let's just hope the music is well recieved...who knows...I mean I caught this one girl singing easy breezy once...why not this song?

And you guys, you know, whatever you think of us fans, that we aren't true fans, whatever, doesn't really apply. No one fails at being a fan. That's what's really ignorant. It's going to be people like us, that make her popular. And not even really like us, more like haikudasai.

Their opinions matter, because they represent the part of the population that will discover her, and have that exact mindset. There aren't going to be any diehard fans for quite a while. And therefore, no one to like everything she produces regardless of...anything really at this point.

But hey, if you "true" fans of hers think you can carry her all by yourselves in this country, be my guest.

[haikudasai]

Originally Posted by emiko

I mean I caught this one girl singing easy breezy once...why not this song?

lol I would have been dumbfounded if I heard someone randomly blurt that out.

[Luv ~Venus~]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

I dont need to refrain from being an American as I am not one, obviously, but as far as I know there is more to American music that this :p And you're as biased as I am ^^ otherwise we wouldn't be having this convo. And you seem to hate the "generic" queen that much, so I suggest you should stay away from her part of the boards too XD
oh and I wasn't the one who started the whole Sanctuary VS CBTM talk.

Please. If you don't like my comments get your info right. That's the only reason why I quote your post anyway.

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

Sure I got a bit ahead of myself - the stabbing thingy and all (as Luv just annoys me with her comments too much) So I apologize for that. But those songs aren't really what I consider an A+ production.
I am not a fan of American mainstream music, but I have nothing against some of the songs. I don't think that it's crap just because it's more mainstream, I even like Eat you up to a certain extent, even tough the lyrics weren't great, and I am aware that this isn't Hikki's first cheesy love song, but I am simply against sacrificing your music for the sake of more money (and it's not like she'll die if she doesn't get popular in the states), as her previous jpop efforts were way better imo.

And please get over the fact that the "lyrics" aren't deep and confusing. Not everyone has to talk about losing hope and wishing for doves to set the world free. There's nothing wrong with the lyrics as they are meaningful for women who have cheated on someone. Just because her lyrics or anybody else's music doesn't base their stuff on Ayu's views of the world and herself doesn't make their stuff meaningless.

Hikki isn't sacrificing her music just to cash on fans interest. Get over yourself and stop thinking she's doing that ok. You're always trying to pull that sacrificing their music card but its a big fail. And no, I don't hate Ayu ok. I have respect for her and her music but like you said about CBTM is the way I feel about Her recent stuff. Yes, my comments are a bit harsh but are they nowhere as near biased and misinformed as your comments about Hikki or any artist.

@haikudasai: That's seriously not DDD. =/

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by Luv ~Venus~

Please. If you don't like my comments get your info right. That's the only reason why I quote your post anyway.



And please get over the fact that the "lyrics" aren't deep and confusing. Not everyone has to talk about losing hope and wishing for doves to set the world free. There's nothing wrong with the lyrics as they are meaningful for women who have cheated on someone. Just because her lyrics or anybody else's music doesn't base their stuff on Ayu's views of the world and herself doesn't make their stuff meaningless.

Hikki isn't sacrificing herself or her music just to cash on fans interest. Get over yourself and stop thinking she's doing that ok. You're always trying to pull that sacrificing their music card but its a big fail. And no, I don't hate Ayu ok. I have respect for her and her music but like you said about CBTM is the way I feel about Her recent stuff. Yes, my comments are a bit harsh but are they nowhere as near biased and misinformed as your comments about Hikki or any artist.

First of all I am not misinformed ^^ Second, I didn't say she needs to write about really deep stuff, many songs that I love aren't deep, yet I still love them. And I am sorry but I can't really relate to the whole cheating girl needs a forgiveness idea, I simply dislike the lyrics and just pointed out the way I see it, sure Hikki might love what she is doing, but I simply don't. So if you're done with quotting me for today :p, we should just agree to disagree on this one, as you've made sure I am properly informed ^^

oh btw while we're at it, what happen with DDD? I haven't seen him on here in ages

[dreamcrushed]

IDJ is in no way "one of the largest mainstream R&B labels out there".
http://www.islandrecords.com

Take a look at the artist roster; you'll be surprised.

I also agree with what emiko and haikudasai posted (and some of njanjayrp's points)... If I quote anymore, I think it'll blow a hole in the space-time continuum.

Oh, and I'll plug the interview link in case anyone else is interested (it got buried up there somewhere): http://utadaunited.com/blog/?page_id=307

It's reaaaaaally interesting.

[CoriKaru]

I've noticed a lot of people making a lot of huge generalizations concerning anyone who has the slightest gripe with this song.

Liking EVERYTHING Utada does doesn't make you anymore of a fan than anyone who can actually be OBJECTIVE enough to find fault with her work.

And if some state their problems with this song, please stop stating how they automatically think that it's crap. Stop second guessing their musical knowledge and understanding. Stop telling them what they should think because this is UTADA.

And most of all, try to have a discussion without being rude and nasty about it.

We're always complaining about the lack of news and discussion here and when we finally have something to sink our teeth into, we start shutting everybody else down, acting superior in knowlege and turning what could be a decent and deep debate into something embarrassing and unattractive. A very unhappy and uncomfortable place to be.

More than a few people have told me they hold back from participating in UTADA threads in general b/c select members actually intimidate them with their ferocious pouncing on anyone who blinks offbeat to an Utada song. That's sad. Let's change their minds.

Again, one can go mainstream without going boring. And mainstream aside and just judging this song as a song and as far as my musical tastes go, I have problems with this song because of actual things WITHIN this song that I have stated. I listened to this song many times. It has grown on me and is okay. It still has problems in my opinion.

If this song had popped up out of the blue from any other artist, I wouldn't give it the time of day, but I am because it's Utada and that counts for something FOR ME.

[Luv ~Venus~]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

First of all I am not misinformed ^^ Second, I didn't say she needs to write about really deep stuff, many songs that I love aren't deep, yet I still love them. And I am sorry but I can't really relate to the whole cheating girl needs a forgiveness idea, I simply dislike the lyrics and just pointed out the way I see it, sure Hikki might love what she is doing, but I simply don't. So if you're done with quotting me for today :p, we should just agree to disagree on this one, as you've made sure I am properly informed ^^

Okay agreed.

[emi♡]

Doesn't matter what the username is, the person speaking is still...

well you guys understand

So...do you guys like her utada name? or her utada hikaru name? I personally don't really like Utada...but I understand where it's coming from...you know, i think we're really lucky she doesn't have an accent...you think it would make a difference if she did?

[Solarblade]

^Maybe in the long run, since BoA has quite the accent in her interviews. Hikki will prolly 1up her there. I also don't exactly care for just "Utada", she needs to put her full name on there works,

CBTM is quite mainstream which is a total surprise, because I thought she'd continue with the whole EXODUS experiments and go on from there. I think she understands how mindless American music actually is and why she's releasing it.

Honestly, like US music is complete crap and we're waiting for the next best thing. Rap = Crap, indies rock groups are pretty lame....everything else is just mindless music that somehow people like (Umbrella, Single Ladies, etc.) I really hope Hikki and BoA gets big

[haikudasai]

Originally Posted by Solarblade

Honestly, like US music is complete crap and we're waiting for the next best thing. Rap = Crap, indies rock groups are pretty lame....everything else is just mindless music that somehow people like (Umbrella, Single Ladies, etc.) I really hope Hikki and BoA gets big

I don't use these emoticons often but your comment warrants this one:


That is a completely false statement that is really unfortunate for you. The US is the largest music industry in the world. We wouldn't have that title if all we had was Rap/Hip Hop.

I suggest you take the time to research some artists out there that really are doing great music but aren't the chart toppers. I bet you'll be surprised.

[Solarblade]

Given, there is a few artists that actually can make music, like Jason Mraz, Colbie Cailliet and the other experimental groups, but c'mon.....some of the higher charters songs are like so bull it's not even funny. Like every month we get a rap song about some topic about ladies or sex...and it's no.1. Americans really need to pay more attention to the lyrics more often rather than the music....it's just so terrible sometimes....Like radio stations play nothing but rap now except KISS....but c'mon...seriously?

[haikudasai]

Originally Posted by Solarblade

Given, there is a few artists that actually can make music, like Jason Mraz, Colbie Cailliet and the other experimental groups, but c'mon.....some of the higher charters songs are like so bull it's not even funny. Like every month we get a rap song about some topic about ladies or sex...and it's no.1. Americans really need to pay more attention to the lyrics more often rather than the music....it's just so terrible sometimes....Like radio stations play nothing but rap now except KISS....but c'mon...seriously?

Now, originally, I wasn't going to bring this up from your previous post but I feel like you should have it brought to your attention.

You said that you don't like mindless music like Single Ladies and Umbrella. You then went ahead to state that you wish for BoA to make it... Eat You Up has a sexual undertone and is fit more to follow suit of songs just like Umbrella and Single Ladies with slight differences, of course.

How on Earth would BoA help the music industry if she's following suit in the music you, yourself, stated to be mindless and lame?

A little hypocritcal if you ask me...

You talk about songs such as ladies and sex. I think that you have another generalization towards the music industry of the US. I'm not exactly sure what radio stations you listen to or anything but if you don't like it, change the channel. There are so many options for music tastes you just have to find them.

Like I said, that's the benefit of our industry but at the same time a negative. We have so many choices that a lot of them are drowned out by radio friendly dance songs.

For the tl;dr: Try finding music, it's not that hard to do.

[dreamcrushed]

Originally Posted by haikudasai

I don't use these emoticons often but your comment warrants this one:


That is a completely false statement that is really unfortunate for you. The US is the largest music industry in the world. We wouldn't have that title if all we had was Rap/Hip Hop.

I suggest you take the time to research some artists out there that really are doing great music but aren't the chart toppers. I bet you'll be surprised.

This times infinity. People really need to stop being lazy and broaden their musical horizons, so to speak. I can personally recommend Nine Inch Nails and Bjork...

But maybe you can take a page from Hikki herself and check out Notorious B.I.G., Chick Corea, and James Brown.

And it's "I wish we could Photoshop all our bad memories." (I lol'd too, but not because I found it cringe-worthy) -- people at UtadaNet transcribed the lyrics when it first came out, which means approximately 66.5% was Engrish.

[Solarblade]

I guess you made a point there bout the sex and ladies part. maybe it's my want for an Asian artist to actually make it big here, that's prolly wanting me to like "Eat You Up" a lot more....hmmm

Still, I really don't enjoy where the music industry has been going for a few years and we need different sounds.

The radio station that I always used to listen was like always mainstream pop and rock and stuff that I can actually sit through and enjoy...but like since recently they've just been whoring off rap songs and there's barely any pop/rock stuff anymore (they even took out trance for rap at late night x.x)

I guess, I don't wanna bash American music today, but I guess i can bash the listeners that actually like the junk with practically mindless lyrics.....just saying (no flame war)

[haikudasai]

Originally Posted by Solarblade

I guess you made a point there bout the sex and ladies part. maybe it's my want for an Asian artist to actually make it big here, that's prolly wanting me to like "Eat You Up" a lot more....hmmm

Still, I really don't enjoy where the music industry has been going for a few years and we need different sounds.

The radio station that I always used to listen was like always mainstream pop and rock and stuff that I can actually sit through and enjoy...but like since recently they've just been whoring off rap songs and there's barely any pop/rock stuff anymore (they even took out trance for rap at late night x.x)

I guess, I don't wanna bash American music today, but I guess i can bash the listeners that actually like the junk with practically mindless lyrics.....just saying (no flame war)

Well, I'm not sure how close you are to Chicago but there is a station out of here that does Trance/Techno late at night... or Friday nights. I forgot. Hope that helps!

[Solarblade]

that surely makes me happy, im sorry if i sounded really brash, but yea I miss songs that have actual meaning to it. At least VH1 plays good stuff all the time. *love the no rap-rule*

I might just be thinking out loud but doesn't it seem that Hikki and BoA are both poking fun at the US music industry just a little bit, more BoA than Hikki?

Also, wow promotion is gonna be really hard for them since the biggest promotion show "TRL" is cancelled....I really wonder how it'll work out for both of em.